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The Beast and the Petrodollar$ - 11/16/2008 2:33:32 PM   
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I received the following as an "interesting article", from a friend. I have not heard of the ministry from which it originated, but I think it contains what may be a fascinating insight.

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To my friends who watch the Middle East,

There is an ominous end-of-days prophecy in Rev 13:16-17, speaking of that unsavory "Beast" who "forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name."

Now for decades, enthusiasts of prophecy "small and great" have all been monitoring the micro-chippers in order to elude their cryptic control of last day demise. On one hand it would make it a lot easier for the banks or supermarket checkouts if everyone had a mini-calculator tacked on their foreheads when they queue up for service. Would it be all that bad?

Moreover, in these days of economic earthquakes can we reckon that banks and supermarkets are really the most obvious venue for some beastly betrayal of Bible believers?

Two insightful articles surfaced this last week that suggest that micro-chipping might not be the only or even the best place to seek out a snare for the faithful. When we can't see the forest for the trees, it's time to lift our sights a bit higher.

Frank Gaffney, Jr., founder and President of Center for Security and widely-read columnist, has written an uncomfortable article on the now globally-feared crisis which -- in echoing US election rhetoric -- he calls, es They Can"http://www.israelunitycoalition.org/news/article.php?id=3290 Click on this URL to grasp the whole picture. But for busy folks who prefer their info in microchip bytes, here's the punch line of what Gaffney says that just might line up somewhat with Rev 13:16-17.

…Not surprisingly, therefore, the Saudis & Co. are not siimply seeking to insinuate Shariah-Compliant Finance into our capital markets. They are also advancing the creation of a parallel Shariah-governed society through various other means.

One of these techniques will be in evidence when the Saudi monarch himself convenes a meeting in New York City [it was actually held last week-vks] in the hope of imposing Shariah blasphemy laws worldwide. In light of the stated, and seemingly benign, purpose of the so-called "Culture of Peace" event hosted by King Abdullah at the United Nations - namely, promoting interfaith understanding and tolerance, numerous world leaders, including President Bush, will be present. Never mind that Saudi Arabia is arguably the most intolerant nation on earth, a fact even some in the Bush administration have acknowledged.
The real reason attendance at the King's séance is going to be impressive, of
course, has more to do with the hope that petro-largesse [i.e. oil] will flow to those who ingratiate themselves to the House of Saud. Abdullah appears confidently to have signaled that, if the West plays ball on the "Culture of Peace" agenda, the Saudis and their fellow Islamists will be constructive at what might be called the subsequent "Culture of Money" meeting in Washington. [ie. the "G-20" now underway as I write]

What will the answer be when the Islamists insist that free speech must not allow the slander, libel or defamation of Shariah, or other aspects of their faith? … why should we object? So what if, by so doing, we would effectively thereby be excluded from talking about - or even understanding - the Islamist threat we face, to say nothing of eviscerating the First Amendment? As the Treasury Department can attest, we need the money.

I think we're beginning to catch the nuance of the likes of a beastly identity, but will the real antichrist please stand up so that we can get a good look at him [or them as the case may be].

But as my faithful readers know, I do have a longstanding aversion from drawing conclusions from only one witness to the scene of the crime. As we note what is momentarily taking place in Washington, let's check up on what is already a done deal in London. Melanie Phillips, writing in the U.K. Daily Mail [we heard from her as well in my last MEAL bulletin] has given us a tad more food for thought:
Beware this Saudi deal to bail out Britain...with a devastating IOU.

She begins her somber observation with:

With all eyes fixed upon the political excitements in the U.S, few have paid much attention to a trip made by the Prime Minister several thousand miles in the opposite direction.

A week ago Gordon Brown, accompanied by his new best friend, the Business Secretary Lord Mandelson, went cap in hand to Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states to ask them to help bail out the stricken economies of the West by pumping billions into the International Monetary Fund.

It is more than a little strange that the British Prime Minister should have apparently taken it upon himself to speak on behalf of the IMF. But the real concern is that asking for help from Saudi Arabia is not like tapping your friendly neighbourhood bank manager for a bigger overdraft…No, this loan comes with a devastating IOU - nothing less than a big slice of control over Britain and the West by a regime at the heart of the attempt to bring about the Islamisation of the free world…

Alarming:
I have long been concerned by Britain's failure to acknowledge the true nature of the threat from global Islamism. This latest move is yet more alarming evidence of that process...Saudi Arabia is at the root of the Islamic onslaught against the West. It is Saudi's Wahhabi form of Islam which, along with its Shi'ite counterpart in Iran, aims to restore the dominance of Islam in the world and destroy rule by 'unbelievers'.

Then midway in her article:

Britain's major banks are eagerly embracing sharia finance, on the basis that it is a source of vast wealth…What they fail to realise is that ssharia is also a project for Islamising society, and wherever it is embraced it will use its position to do precisely that. The assumption is that sharia banking - which has at its heart the prohibition of interest - accords with ancient Islamic religious principles. Not so. Sharia banking was devised by mid-20th century Islamist ideologues specifically to further their strategy for global Islamic rule by creating separate administrative systems.

The wise will now recall that this planning hardly began on Sept 11, 2001.

Finally Ms. Phillips concludes with:

But our politicians and financiers seem blind to this prospect - because they are mesmerised by the seductive prospect of so much wealth...Moreover, the British establishment does not believe that what we are being subjected to is a religious war. That is why their response to the steady encroachment of Islamic radicalism in our society is so weak. …And that is why I fear the British Prime Minister is in danger of selling this country to those who are intent upon undermining our most treasured freedoms."

You will do yourself a favor by clicking on the above URL to read Melanie's whole article. We have been warned more than once from the secular stage not to mention 2000 years of Rev 13:16-17.

If we've never noticed before, the god$ of this age have brazenly ari$en. Focusing on microchips merely fogs the treachery of the real foe, as the global New World Order becomes ready to bow the knee in any direction for a few fast bucks! Et tu Brute?

Finally, we peeked at identity, but not at the number of this terrible twosome. If you didn't get to two, try counting again! I also suggest you read [or re-read as the case may be] Chapter 12, "Beasts and Antichrists, Prophets and Profits" in my most recent book as featured below.

So beyond this bit of last minute insight, what's our answer?

Intimacy with Abba, and never go outside without your Psalm 91 umbrella!

Blessings and shalom,

Victor Schlatter
Director, South Pacific Island Ministries,
Cairns, Australia

Website: http://www.spim.org.au
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RE: The Beast and the Petrodollar$ - 11/16/2008 2:54:34 PM   
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Heres the URL referred to - I cannot seem to get it to work above.

http:///www.israelunitycoalition.org/news/article.php?id=3290
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RE: The Beast and the Petrodollar$ - 11/16/2008 6:42:03 PM   
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Hi Tony, and thanks for sharing this interesting article. I'm from the UK and have been following what Gordon Brown has been saying and doing over in the middle east. He's not 100% clear on all he's been there for, but the little he has said is clear that he see's the only way out of this current financial crisis, is if we borrow an extreme amount of money from one of the big world bankers over in the middle east. The idea he says is to increase confidence with spenders, so the downward spiral stops.

If this worked, and recovery paid back that debt, then ok. But it's clear it is a gamble at best. While waiting for that recovery, we are indebted to this external power, which will have strings to pull that we may not want pulling. This goes very much in with what this article is suggesting.

Personally I don't see this as showing that the middle east will become the beast mentioned in Revelation. Rather that the beast in Revelation will be made up of the worlds major nations, with the worlds money people, the over sea's investment bankers or the G8 or G20 or what ever 'G' they are going under, being the real manipulating power of this Empire once in place.

The middle east money lenders that we see throwing money at the struggling west at the moment are aware of this global move and want more of a powerful seat within it. Their agenda as the article suggests, may well ultimately be doing this for as much a religious grip as well as political strong holds.

I don't see anywhere in the article that really changes anything in regards to the 'mark of the beast'. Or why it was mentioned as a new way of viewing what this Mark is referring too really.

Whoever ends up being the power behind the beast empire, will want to control the masses, and the Bible seems clear that it will be done by controlling man by a mark in the skin, that fully represents all that that man is. I can't see any need for further interpretation on this, it's always been this way, when powers take control, they want to track and tax. Even in Mary's and Joseph's day it was this way, and every kingdom since. Only this final time it will be most of the world, under an anti-Christ world Empire, that not only wants to tax, but to remove all civil and religious rights and freedoms (for the greater good as they'll say it!)

Great post though, shines a light on the struggle for power within this new order as it takes form. No longer does a nation truly govern itself from within, but is evermore manipulated by greed from outside itself.

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RE: The Beast and the Petrodollar$ - 11/16/2008 7:42:45 PM   
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I think that an oil (energy) alliance that includes the Islamic Nations and the near Islamic Nations of the old USSR…maybe only Russia… which hold tremendous influence today over the EU and the rest of the world.

If this nation continues to withhold oil exploration which the liberal controlling party seems bent of doing, what choice will this nation have but to bend over backwards to appease those who control the carrot. When 60% of our energy comes from Islam it seems they only have to form that alliance…which they historically have been unable to accomplish…they can pretty much control the balance of the world. Couple that with the wealth they are accumulating, all they have to do is overcome their inability to organize and we are DOA.

I have always considered this to be one of the biggest threats to the world balance and that the Muslim faith would likely be the religion of the Antichrist.

Just my thoughts.

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RE: The Beast and the Petrodollar$ - 11/16/2008 7:55:14 PM   
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Hi Bob

It seems likely indeed that being in such a position of wealth and holding all the cards of what the west need, that they were always going to be a huge part of this last world empire. For me, I see a world government made up of all the powers, but I could see Islamic nations being the fist of power within.

Don't you think though, when you consider scripture, that the religious element seems to be religious multi-faith compromise Bob? Surely the key word for both law and religion within this new order is peace through tolerance? (False peace, and compromise of truth really!)

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RE: The Beast and the Petrodollar$ - 11/16/2008 8:27:36 PM   
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Sonic...it might look that way at first...sounds good doesn't it?

But later wouldn't it be Satan's goal to turn Israel away from their God and to the god of Islam...after all isn't it the same God?

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RE: The Beast and the Petrodollar$ - 11/16/2008 8:49:14 PM   
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I see your thinking, but I just feel that the 'world' mood is away from evangelizing to a single religion. It's all about peace through global compromise isn't it?

If the end times situation regarding Israel is all about Muslims and Judaism then it's a possibility. But whare does the World order, with there peace through one world government and global faith fit in with this? And Christians also hold this land as their centre, although Christians are slighty different and would be as offended as they believe that we worship not at a central temple, but in spirit and truth????

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RE: The Beast and the Petrodollar$ - 11/16/2008 9:05:10 PM   
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To me the one world government is just a way to centralize power…once that is accomplished (supported by military power, an oil alliance and monetary wealth) what is to keep this beast from demanding whatever he wants?

If it is a seven year process…3 ˝ years to gain control and 3 ˝ years to demand worship of some religion and I’ll kill you if you don’t. If it is only a 3 ˝ year program, it’s all the same scenario isn’t it?


I’m just thinking out loud but these things do seem logical to me. We have to think about where the power comes from and what supports it.

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Christians are slighty different and would be as offended as they believe that we worship not at a central temple, but in spirit and truth????


I don't think it is the Christians we are talking about...they are hooked to Christ, that is if you believe OSAS and they will be the ones laying around without heads because they will not worship something else. Isn't it what happens to unbelieving Israel and gentiles that the program is intended for, them and those who say they are Christians but really aren't?

Bob

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RE: The Beast and the Petrodollar$ - 11/16/2008 9:09:36 PM   
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Its becoming clearer to me just what Jesus meant when He said money is the root of all evil. I think you both have points, Sonic and Bob, and I believe Islam will be a big part of the beginning phase of this new world order. However, when all is said and done, there will be some level of tolerance until the fat hits the fan and Antichrist sets himself above ALL that is called god and worshiped. Just my opinion.
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RE: The Beast and the Petrodollar$ - 11/16/2008 9:16:28 PM   
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Hi Girl...I'll just say amen sister.

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RE: The Beast and the Petrodollar$ - 11/16/2008 9:30:26 PM   
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quote:

Its becoming clearer to me just what Jesus meant when He said money is the root of all evil. I think you both have points, Sonic and Bob, and I believe Islam will be a big part of the beginning phase of this new world order. However, when all is said and done, there will be some level of tolerance until the fat hits the fan and Antichrist sets himself above ALL that is called god and worshiped. Just my opinion.


Yep, Amen alright! It seems the nations have a struggle for Power and wealth during this transition period, and like you say GOMC, ultimately anti-Christ is going to step-up after all is in place anyway and take over. he's just using mans love of power and money to get the world where he needs it.

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To me the one world government is just a way to centralize power…once that is accomplished (supported by military power, an oil alliance and monetary wealth) what is to keep this beast from demanding whatever he wants?

If it is a seven year process…3 ˝ years to gain control and 3 ˝ years to demand worship of some religion and I’ll kill you if you don’t. If it is only a 3 ˝ year program, it’s all the same scenario isn’t it?


I’m just thinking out loud but these things do seem logical to me. We have to think about where the power comes from and what supports it.

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Christians are slighty different and would be as offended as they believe that we worship not at a central temple, but in spirit and truth????

I don't think it is the Christians we are talking about...they are hooked to Christ, that is if you believe OSAS and they will be the ones laying around without heads because they will not worship something else. Isn't it what happens to unbelieving Israel and gentiles that the program is intended for, them and those who say they are Christians but really aren't?

Bob


It sure looks unlikely that the Muslim's that are in our news every day, with their global mandate, wealth position and the fact that already hold the world in so much fear, that they wouldn't stand out in the end times situation.

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RE: The Beast and the Petrodollar$ - 11/17/2008 5:29:18 AM   
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quote:

Personally I don't see this as showing that the middle east will become the beast mentioned in Revelation. Rather that the beast in Revelation will be made up of the worlds major nations, with the worlds money people, the over sea's investment bankers or the G8 or G20 or what ever 'G' they are going under, being the real manipulating power of this Empire once in place.


Personally, I agree with you, although some see Islam itself as the beast. I think however, that the thing that fascinates me, is the degree of co-operation between those that on the surface, may have conflicting agendas. The agenda is being driven by the desire for power, which equates with mans desire to be "as God", this is the source of all rebellion against God. Money is a medium by which power can be measured, in their view, this I believe. So, in saying the love of money is the root of all evil, I think this equates to saying that unbridled desire for personal wealth equates to the desire for power and status. This explains somewhat why those with fantastic wealth, actually want a larger share of it.

So, where does Islam fit into this agenda? Obviously, it is a useful tool to create strife, to bring about the conditions for one world government. And, I do not believe that those within the inner circle, mostly, particularly care for one religion over another - they are simply dripping with the desire for control. And, probably they are not particularly fussed about creating a one world religion - it would seem to be a difficult assignment. However, it seems to me that Islam is a religion particularly suited for their purpose, because it's central tenant is submission. Saudi Arabia may actually be an example of their ideal society. So, maybe it would suit their agenda if the whole world was Islamised. But, is that a realistic objective?

So, what then are the objectives of the very wealthy Islamists, who seem to be part of this group? Are they actually religious, having a desire to Islamise the world, and are they using their part in this play to advance this? Or are they simply in it for their share of the glory, using their place within Islamic society to pull the strings that are needed?

I have always believed that rather than creating one world religion, we are going to see a synchronisation of religions. By this I mean that the anti christ is going to claim to be the mahdi for Islamists, the returning Christ for christians, the messiah for Jews, the Buddha for Buddhists, etc. And leaders within all these groups will "endorse" him. Those who resist will be initially shunned, and then actively persecuted. This will be the pretence of "religious tolerance' - it doesnt matter what religion you are - as long as you dont criticise others who worship dear leader - and as long as you do it yourself under the cover of whatever religion you wish to choose. To continue to claim "one true way" will become very intolerant, backward, and stupid. Even more so than now. So, that makes these moves to promote inter-faith understanding and tolerance very interesting.

But, Jesus is either the incarnate Son of God, or not. There is no middle ground, Truth cannot be compromised.
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RE: The Beast and the Petrodollar$ - 11/17/2008 7:24:28 AM   
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The way I see it is that the western new world order elites are just trying to bring more sheep into the fold of dependence on how well we do. Keep this in mind, China owns a big chunk of the U.S. debt. In other words, they have lent us a big share of their capital over the years. So much so, that if the U.S. starts to tank, China immediately feels it. Thus, as the powers-that-be inch closer to springing their trap on the world, the nations that are owed will see consolidation of the individual economies into a one world economy as a great idea. This way, everyone is subject to playing ball under a standard set of rules that is determined by the world central elites.

Now, in order for them to accomplish a one-world economy and currency, they have to make everyone subservient to this order. That means making other nations that could otherwise isolate themselves from such an order become subject to it. Therefore, I do not think that Islamic nations would run this system; however, that doesn't mean some of that Sharia law wouldn't be imposed in order to grant the illusion that they have some say so in the system. This will not be a one world system under Allah, it will be a one world system under Lucifer. However, greater is He who is in us, then he that is in the world. For we, sons and daughters of the Most High God, have the blessed hope of someday living in a one world system under Christ Jesus, the King of kings and Lord of lords whose kingdom shall have no end. To that end, I say, COME LORD JESUS!....but in the mean time grant us peace of mind and courage.

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RE: The Beast and the Petrodollar$ - 11/17/2008 8:15:32 AM   
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Remember one thing...what is the source of wealth in the world today? It’s not gold because the source of wealth has to be something that creates and gold creates nothing. The source of wealth is and always has been energy…that is what drives industries which produces a product and brings in wealth…energy credits is wealth and energy will be the key to control of all society. Energy produces food and keeps us warm or cool. It lights our homes…well you get the picture.


But energy generates another product and that is greed and the desire for control of mankind. So I ask the same question I’ve asked on another thread….What would be the result of an alliance between Russia and the Islamic world? They could shut of the light of the world and the threat of this coalition is very real.

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RE: The Beast and the Petrodollar$ - 11/17/2008 8:39:09 AM   
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quote:

I have always believed that rather than creating one world religion, we are going to see a synchronisation of religions. By this I mean that the anti christ is going to claim to be the mahdi for Islamists, the returning Christ for christians, the messiah for Jews, the Buddha for Buddhists, etc. And leaders within all these groups will "endorse" him. Those who resist will be initially shunned, and then actively persecuted. This will be the pretence of "religious tolerance' - it doesnt matter what religion you are - as long as you dont criticise others who worship dear leader - and as long as you do it yourself under the cover of whatever religion you wish to choose. To continue to claim "one true way" will become very intolerant, backward, and stupid. Even more so than now. So, that makes these moves to promote inter-faith understanding and tolerance very interesting.


There is wisdom in what you are saying Tony…we must remember the whole dilemma is based on religion and land. It has always been about whom we worship and Jerusalem.

We live in a very big world and a lot of things are occurring but in the end it seems every interest comes back to Jerusalem…that should tell us something.

Bob

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RE: The Beast and the Petrodollar$ - 11/17/2008 8:46:21 AM   
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One thing is for sure. There is a scramble for ultimate power on each corner of the world. America has enjoyed this position, but now is somewhat weeker than her forus position through debt. China and the far east have enjoyed massive increase in wealth and want a piece of this cake and feel she has the right now, although they too are beginning to feel the pinch. Russia has recovered greatly since the late 80s early 90s and feels she wants to express her power and position once again, and Europe are aware that they are a sleeping giant, waiting for her final political bricks to be put in place before she flexes her muscles.

But one thing I believe they are all aware of is the deliberate moves to unify all, as all see feel the mood and talk of the moment, which is Global society talk, with the money men manipulating this too. The real question is, who will have the biggest piece of the pie?

All must be aware however, that even when they manage to put this order together, it 'will' need to be maily powered by middle east energy, and the middle east are fully aware of this.

It would seem possible that a simple solution would be to seize the oil from the middle east, but this has far to many repercussions with it, as we've already seen, as already the pain and fear impossed on the nations from fundamentalism in the middle east has unstablised many. So it does seem very realistic that they would be allowed a very large chunk and authority in any new global order.

I very much agree with what you've said regarding the religious element Tony.

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