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RE: What do you think of Paul Washer? - 7/19/2007 7:29:53 PM
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Paul Washer is a genuine believer with the guts to deliver the tuth of the Gospel. Something all of us can be if we surrender to Jesus Christ. What makes it so different and even shocking to some is that they have heard such a watered down, politically correct version of something resembling the Gospel all their lives and when they hear the unfettered, blunt truth, it shocks them.
Paul is the kind of man who, since he speaks the truth, intimidates luke-warm pastors and invigorates those filled with the Spirit. The Lord has blessed his ministry because of his consistency and faithfulness. Every, single, one of us can be the same if we surrender to the Lord!
What astonishes me is that Washer's ministry has an impact that is just as heavy on the "christian community" as it is on the non-believers that hear his message. Thos who would claim to be of the Body of Christ should be standing and preaching the Gospel along with men like Washer, instead of being awed by them.
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RE: What do you think of Paul Washer? - 8/1/2007 12:53:50 PM
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Very well stated.
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RE: What do you think of Paul Washer? - 10/5/2007 5:34:05 PM
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The message sounds like you need to "do" to receive salvation. Sounds like, you have to live righteously to obtain your salvation. If that's the case, then it's up to us on how righteous we live that we receive our salvation - then doesn't that mean that Jesus died in vain?
Doesn't sound right.. isn't God's love unconditional? He loved sinners, that's why He sent His Son to die for sinners (Romans 5:6-9)
Maybe Washer should take a look at Romans 10:9-11 first:
"that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”"
Just because we don't live as righteous as God wanted us to doesn't mean we would lose our salvation or we should question our salvation.
It's a good message to get people to live righteously, but he misinterpreted the verses he used - he just sent 5,000 kids questioning about their salvations.
You continue to repent so that you can live righteously with God, so that God can pour out His blessings onto you in abundance. If you don't live righteously, how can God bless us? It doesn't mean you don't lose your salvation.
Let's take Matthew 7:13-
Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because[a] narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.
Narrow way to life, not to heaven. Life = living abundantly in God's blessing for your health, relationships, finances, etc.
Matthew 7:15 -
15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
Jesus is referring to prophets here.
Matthew 7:21 -
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
There's a reason why Jesus said "kingdom of heaven" and "My Father in heaven"
- how come Jesus didn't use "My Father in kingdom of heaven"?
- kingdom of heaven is different from heaven.. because look at Matthew 6:9-10:
Our Father in heaven,
Hallowed be Your name.
Your kingdom come.
Your will be done
How can heaven come to earth if heaven = kingdom of heaven?
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RE: What do you think of Paul Washer? - 10/5/2007 6:07:20 PM
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Lynne: youve missed him by a mile.
Paul is offering grace, not in the form of easy believism that is common today but what is scriptural and necessary.
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RE: What do you think of Paul Washer? - 10/5/2007 6:55:30 PM
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Just and FYI on students doubting their salvation.
God doesnt send people to hell for doubting their salvation, he sends them to hell for thinking they are saved and are not.
Paul couples the fear of God with the message of salvation, that fear of God is missing in all but few preachers. When some sense the fear of God being proclaimed within the message of salvation they cannot stomach it and begin to cry up legalism, works, hardness etc calling him a false prophet and whatever else.
Pauls appreciated preaching is a sign God is at work in the believers and a sign that religious people love darkness and hate the light. Whatever makes manifest is light.
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RE: What do you think of Paul Washer? - 10/5/2007 7:45:03 PM
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The message sounds like you need to "do" to receive salvation. Sounds like, you have to live righteously to obtain your salvation. If that's the case, then it's up to us on how righteous we live that we receive our salvation - then doesn't that mean that Jesus died in vain?
Doesn't sound right.. isn't God's love unconditional? He loved sinners, that's why He sent His Son to die for sinners (Romans 5:6-9)
Maybe Washer should take a look at Romans 10:9-11 first:
"that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”"
Just because we don't live as righteous as God wanted us to doesn't mean we would lose our salvation or we should question our salvation.
It's a good message to get people to live righteously, but he misinterpreted the verses he used - he just sent 5,000 kids questioning about their salvations.
You continue to repent so that you can live righteously with God, so that God can pour out His blessings onto you in abundance. If you don't live righteously, how can God bless us? It doesn't mean you don't lose your salvation.
Let's take Matthew 7:13-
Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because[a] narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.
Narrow way to life, not to heaven. Life = living abundantly in God's blessing for your health, relationships, finances, etc.
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How can heaven come to earth if heaven = kingdom of heaven?
talk about misinterpreting scripture.....
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RE: What do you think of Paul Washer? - 10/6/2007 1:09:42 AM
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Lynne: youve missed him by a mile.
Paul is offering grace, not in the form of easy believism that is common today but what is scriptural and necessary.
John
It is as easy as believing though. That's what Romans 10:9-11 said which I posted in my last post.
But there's a difference between salvation vs. living righteously. You don't get salvation through living righteously, that just contradicted Romans 10:9-11.
Living God's will is not easy, hence Matthew 7:13-14 (the whole Narrow Gate thing). If you read verse 14 carefully, "narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life", Washer misinterpreted that life is equal to heaven. Since when is life equal to heaven?
Living in God's will is impossible without the Holy Spirit, and we can't get the Holy Spirit without first asking Jesus to come into our lives.
Romans 8:15- For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.”
And only with the Holy Spirit can a person confess Jesus is Lord:
1 Corinthians 12:3 - Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.
Do you think it'll be as easy for a non-Christian to live righteously? It's impossible. A person who doesn't have the Holy Spirit cannot overcome sin and repent.
Romans 8:5 - 10:
5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. 10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
But how come so many of those who confessed Jesus Christ as Lord are still living a worldly life? Because they're not feeding their spirit with the Word of God. Only the Word of God has the power to change. Only knowing and having faith in God's Word and spending time with God will you be able to do the will of Our Father in Heaven so that His kingdom of Heaven will work in our lives.
And what's the kingdom of Heaven? Go to Matthew 13:31-32
31He told them another parable: "The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed, which a man took and planted in his field. 32Though it is the smallest of all your seeds, yet when it grows, it is the largest of garden plants and becomes a tree, so that the birds of the air come and perch in its branches."
Read it carefully, kingdom of Heaven is LIKE a mustard seed. It's small, but it grows into something huge and fruitful. As you can see, kingdom of heaven is different than heaven. Genesis 1:1 - "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." God didn't create the kingdom of heavens and the earth.
That's why if you don't do the will of God, that mustard seed can't grow in your heart, and you can't receive the blessings from that seed when it's full grown.
I give Washer thumbs up for his message to get people to live righteously, but he just completely misinterpreted Matthew 7:13-23.
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RE: What do you think of Paul Washer? - 10/6/2007 2:16:24 AM
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lynne123
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Just and FYI on students doubting their salvation.
God doesnt send people to hell for doubting their salvation, he sends them to hell for thinking they are saved and are not.
Washer said are you sure you're saved? If you're living according to worldly standards, then you're not saved. That's what he said.
God said you're saved through your faith in Jesus Christ (Romans 10:9-11 again).
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Paul couples the fear of God with the message of salvation, that fear of God is missing in all but few preachers. When some sense the fear of God being proclaimed within the message of salvation they cannot stomach it and begin to cry up legalism, works, hardness etc calling him a false prophet and whatever else.
Yeah, but that's based on his views and facts on how fear of God is missing in all but few preachers. Why not just focus on what the Word says?
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Pauls appreciated preaching is a sign God is at work in the believers and a sign that religious people love darkness and hate the light. Whatever makes manifest is light.
John
And again, since when is preaching a sign of God is at work? He didn't make everyone a pastor, Ephesians 4:11-12
11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ
He gave SOME, not ALL.
Not everyone is to be a pastor. Yes, we are to share the Gospel to non-believers in our very own way that God has designed us to be. How the heck are we suppose to share the word of God to people who work in an office, who don't go to church if every believer is a pastor preaching the word of God in churches?
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RE: What do you think of Paul Washer? - 10/6/2007 6:58:31 PM
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Great message and God bless him.
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RE: What do you think of Paul Washer? - 12/11/2007 9:45:32 PM
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Washer said are you sure you're saved? If you're living according to worldly standards, then you're not saved. That's what he said.
God said you're saved through your faith in Jesus Christ (Romans 10:9-11 again).
You are saved through your faith in Jesus Christ, but if this faith is genuine, you would repent from your sins, turn away from it, and seek God's righteousnesses.
Paul Washer means that even if you profess to believe in Christ and yet you still do the things the world does such as that you still keep on doing what you used to do, ur sins, you are not saved because if I remember correctly in Romans, it says "faith without deeds is dead". So even if I say I accept Christ as my Savior but I go and kill people and rape and plunder, I am NOT saved.
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RE: What do you think of Paul Washer? - 12/12/2007 4:49:42 PM
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I listened to Paul's address to SBC youth, and he was right about alot of things. Like believers acting like unbelievers, and the alter call/sinners prayer/decision theology myth ect. . All the law stuff he gave was very good, but the one sermon I heard was law law law, a little gosple, law law law law more law. Maybe thats what he felt the conference needed. I could see some kids leaving that place believing they had no hope because the sermon was almost all law and very little about Christ's death for sin.
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RE: What do you think of Paul Washer? - 12/13/2007 1:40:24 AM
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He is by far my favourite preacher.Sermonaudio.com has about 200 of his sermons.You can tell that he fears the Lord.It'f funny because people knock him for preaching holliness and sin almostt every sermon but I admire that and respect him.
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RE: What do you think of Paul Washer? - 12/13/2007 4:03:26 PM
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He is by far my favourite preacher.Sermonaudio.com has about 200 of his sermons.You can tell that he fears the Lord.It'f funny because people knock him for preaching holliness and sin almostt every sermon but I admire that and respect him.
Sammy I do not knock him for preaching holliness and sin. That sould always be done, but the one sermon I heard had very little Gospel. I will try to find more of his stuff, maybe the others are different.
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RE: What do you think of Paul Washer? - 12/13/2007 4:24:15 PM
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Sammy I do not knock him for preaching holliness and sin. That sould always be done, but the one sermon I heard had very little Gospel. I will try to find more of his stuff, maybe the others are different.
What do you mean?do you mean the sermon at the youth convetion with 5000 thousand people attending?Also called the "Shocking Youth Message"?
No one has ever critisized him for that man,that's something he is actually known for.
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RE: What do you think of Paul Washer? - 12/14/2007 8:31:19 PM
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Sounds to me like he is preaching the complete gospel message-
Salvation does not come by saying magic words (sinner's prayer) but by faith in Christ (believing and repenting and accepting his gift of salvation) that affects our daily lives.
It is not about works-based salvation, it is about works-producing salvation. Works are the evidence of salvation, not the basis for it.
Ephesians 2:8-10
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
James 2:26
As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.
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Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.
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RE: What do you think of Paul Washer? - 12/15/2007 10:15:19 AM
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Sammy I do not knock him for preaching holliness and sin. That sould always be done, but the one sermon I heard had very little Gospel. I will try to find more of his stuff, maybe the others are different.
What do you mean?do you mean the sermon at the youth convetion with 5000 thousand people attending?Also called the "Shocking Youth Message"?
No one has ever critisized him for that man,that's something he is actually known for.
Sammy: Yes that is the sermon I heard. I was given this to look at by a friend who is a SBC Pastor. I am looking at it as one outside the SBC and from a Lutheran point of view. We believe that the Law and the Gospel should always be equally balanced. I agreed with all of what he had to say about faith with no change of life/heart or life style. I am sure alot of the youth needed to hear that (we all need to hear that). My understand of biblical preaching also includes an equal amount of teaching about grace and God's mercy to repentant sinners.
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RE: What do you think of Paul Washer? - 12/15/2007 11:32:09 AM
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Freeluth, I understand that but he did.It may not have been "balanced"enough from your point of view but he did.Besides,you may have to listen to more of his sermons to understand him.He is a great great preacher.
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RE: What do you think of Paul Washer? - 12/15/2007 2:26:00 PM
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Freeluth, I understand that but he did.It may not have been "balanced"enough from your point of view but he did.Besides,you may have to listen to more of his sermons to understand him.He is a great great preacher.
Very true and I am not judge what kind of preacher on the one sermon. I will find some more and listen to them, because I like you was convicted of somethings while listening to him.
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RE: What do you think of Paul Washer? - 12/19/2007 4:20:08 PM
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The formula is "90% law and 10% grace." ~ Ray Comfort
HMM..As much as I love Ray Comfort and may sort of agree with that I believe that a better way to say that is 100% law and 100% grace.But I understand what he is saying though. 
As much as I like Ray and his stuff I am with Sammy here. I know there is no coviction without the law, but there is no mercy without the Good News. Preach law to the proud, Grace to the humble and if you are not sure get a balance of both in and let the Holy Spirit go to work.
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RE: What do you think of Paul Washer? - 12/19/2007 9:32:47 PM
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As much as I like Ray and his stuff I am with Sammy here. I know there is no coviction without the law, but there is no mercy without the Good News. Preach law to the proud, Grace to the humble and if you are not sure get a balance of both in and let the Holy Spirit go to work
I disagree with that.I believe that we should preach in a similar message to all peoples.If anything,I am tougher on christians(those whom I love I chasten...)
When I say 100% for both Law and Grace,I mean that we should never under use the other.They work hand in hand for all peoples.
But obviously,the unbeliever will not understand grace without understanding the law first.I believe that,that is what Ray meant but I just feel that saying 90%-10% is a bit too much.
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RE: What do you think of Paul Washer? - 12/19/2007 9:59:55 PM
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