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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/12/2008 7:05:13 AM
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SonicStudent
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You got to go take a look at this site!!!
Worship, Praise, Adoration and Messiah Complex - It's all here on this site that has collected all media response of Obama;
http://www.barackobamaantichrist.blogspot.com/
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/12/2008 7:49:27 AM
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I guess this fervor for Obama could be seen as the apostasy that is to come. However, I don't see Obama as fitting the bill. AND before anyone accuses me of playing pin-the-anti-Christ-on-the-president, I want to clarify that I do pray that the Lord would give Pres-elect Obama wisdom as he assumes his position in January. That being said, I think Obama may be just the character the AC needs to point the people of America to the man of lawlessness. I think Obama or any similar president could serve as a forerunner (i.e. John the Baptist), but I do not think he is the AC.
I think there are certain prophecies that need to be fulfilled for someone to identify the AC.
#1. The Anti-Christ, as far as I know, is supposed to arise from among the old Roman empire (Daniel 9:26)
#2. Isn't there a verse that describes the man of lawlessness as not desiring women (not to say that he desires men, but maybe that he rejects any relations altogether).
These are just some of my thoughts. Also, I don't see him as being that well spoken as the Anti-Christ would have to be. I mean, he is well-spoken, but in most of the debates, I didn't see him as being that polished. I would think that the AC would be able to utterly decimate his opponent in a debate.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/12/2008 8:08:14 AM
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SonicStudent
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Yep Josh, I'm certainly not counting Obama out, however I agree with a lot of what you say.
Anti-Christ it is said, arises from out of the new order, the revived Roman Empire, which I see as being inclusive of America with Europe to begin with and then most of the world joing, because 'who can fight against her'.
I feel that we are seeing the formation of possibly the ten kings of the new order, Obama being the link pin that will usher in this 'New World Empire, with his new views and the world recognising him as the author of change and hope. And this new order remember 'Must last a short time', and then become a true dictatorship under a newly arisen leader from among them - Anti-Christ. Just a possible view!
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/12/2008 8:17:21 AM
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Just to underline the point that this 1st stage of the Revived Roman Empire will include America, with her historical roots in Europe, with Obama hailing it. check out the video here,
It's near the top of the page and is entitled above the video clip; Below is from Obama's speech in Berlin
Go take a look
http://www.barackobamaantichrist.blogspot.com/
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/12/2008 8:56:25 AM
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Newsweek’s Evan Thomas and Jon Meacham shared a bizarre Obama love-fest session with Charlie Rose on the PBS host’s program on Wednesday. Meacham stated that he was "very struck watching the stagecraft" of Obama and pointed out how Obama gave his victory speech by himself: "...[H]ave you ever seen a victory speech where there was no one else on stage? No adoring wife, no cute kid -- he is the message." Thomas went one step further in this vein: "There is a slightly creepy cult of personality about all of this." Rose confronted him on his use of this phrase, and he explained that it made him "a little uneasy that he's so singular. He's clearly managing his own spectacle. He knows how to do it. He's a -- I think, a deeply manipulative guy..." Later, all three marveled about how it was "amazing" that Obama "watches us watching him."
Thomas and Meacham appeared during the second segment of Rose’s program on Wednesday night. The host first asked Thomas about how Obama seemed to be "always in charge of this campaign." After giving an anecdote about a meeting in which Obama discussed his vice presidential pick with his advisers, Thomas commented that Obama is very inclusive, yet very self-contained. It's an unusual leadership style."
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-balan/2008/11/06/newsweek-s-thomas-slightly-creepy-cult-personality-around-obama
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/12/2008 9:02:45 AM
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Obama the Messiah is going to produce profound disillusion
There is a video clip running on YouTube at the moment which shows a black woman moved nearly to tears at an Obama rally, telling a television interviewer that all her problems will be at an end when he is elected president. She won't have to worry anymore about putting gas in her car or paying her mortgage because "he will help me". It would be easy to find this absurd - the blind faith of an unsophisticated voter who has clearly mistaken Barack Obama for Jesus - but in truth it is both sad and alarming..... this woman's testimony is a reminder of something deeply disturbing in the Obama phenomenon: the fact that his campaign has shifted its tone from his original "post-racial" stance to one that is subliminally evocative of black evangelism. Far from his earlier intellectually nuanced and racially neutral delivery, his cadences and his frankly inspirational stump speeches now have the unmistakeable ring of the black pulpit. Little wonder that his candidacy is being mistaken for the Second Coming.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/janet_daley/blog/2008/11/04/obama_the_messiah_is_going_to_produce_profound_disillusion
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/12/2008 9:15:28 AM
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Obama Messiah
Speaking at a joint news conference with Russian President Dmitry Medvedev in Moscow, the 72-year-old media tycoon also said Obama's election to the White House had been "hailed by world public opinion as the arrival of a messiah."
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/12/2008 6:37:24 PM
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How do all of you experts claim to know all of this when Jesus Himself did not know the hour He would return???? 
Beside, the Book of Revelation was fulfilled during the fall of the Roman Empire.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/12/2008 7:00:32 PM
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How do all of you experts claim to know all of this when Jesus Himself did not know the hour He would return????
Beside, the Book of Revelation was fulfilled during the fall of the Roman Empire.
No one is saying they know when Jesus will return or who the Antichrist is but in Matt. 24 Jesus tells us what to look for. And um, Jesus is God, so doesn't He know? I know that no man knows, not even the angels, but I think Jesus knows. Am I wrong?
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/12/2008 7:16:29 PM
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Obama; A Question Of Faith
"I'm rooted in the Christian tradition. I believe that there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people.
"That there are values that transcend race or culture, that move us forward, and there's an obligation for all of us individually as well as collectively to take responsibility to make those values lived."
It's perhaps an unlikely theological position for someone who places his faith squarely at the feet of Jesus to take, saying essentially that all people of faith -- Christians, Jews, Muslims, animists, everyone -- know the same God.
The question was then asked how a Christian who puts his faith in Jesus can make a statement that essentially believes that all faiths are worshiping the same God, when you consider Jesus’ statement in John 14: 6 “That depends”, Obama says, “on how a particular verse from the Gospel of John, where Jesus says, ‘I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father but by me,’ is heard”.
“I went to a Catholic school in a Muslim country, so I was studying the Bible and catechisms by day, and, at night, you'd hear the Muslim prayer call," Obama recalls. "My mother was a deeply spiritual person and would spend a lot of time talking about values and give me books about the world's religions and talk to me about them. "Her view always was that underlying these religions was a common set of beliefs about how you treat other people and how you aspire to act, not just for yourself, but also for the greater good."
“The difficult thing about any religion, including Christianity, is that at some level there is a call to evangelize and proselytize. There's the belief, certainly in some quarters, that if people haven't embraced Jesus Christ as their personal savior, they're going to hell."
Obama doesn't believe he, or anyone else, will go to hell.
But he's not sure if he'll be going to heaven, either.
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I know there are folks that say that Obama is a Christian and was saved, and we can't say 'He Wasn't'! That's between him and God. But I got the feeling that he has more of a faith in faiths, rather than in Christ.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/12/2008 10:55:55 PM
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Obama; A Question Of Faith
Sonic...I've not read the book...I take it this is a direct quote?
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/12/2008 10:56:10 PM
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Oh brother!! I'm so glad I'm saved. So now it's spread AROUND the world????? Oh brother!! Now I see why God gave the world Obama. They can have him!! I'll take MY savior who has holes in His hands and feet!! Gesh!! Come Lord Jesus come!!
Open the other seals, toot the horns and toss the bowls over the sides of heaven. I want out!!!
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Obama Messiah
Speaking at a joint news conference with Russian President Dmitry Medvedev in Moscow, the 72-year-old media tycoon also said Obama's election to the White House had been "hailed by world public opinion as the arrival of a messiah."
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/12/2008 11:16:53 PM
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Oh brother!! I'm so glad I'm saved. So now it's spread AROUND the world????? Oh brother!! Now I see why God gave the world Obama. They can have him!! I'll take MY savior who has holes in His hands and feet!! Gesh!! Come Lord Jesus come!!
Open the other seals, toot the horns and toss the bowls over the sides of heaven. I want out!!!
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Obama Messiah
Speaking at a joint news conference with Russian President Dmitry Medvedev in Moscow, the 72-year-old media tycoon also said Obama's election to the White House had been "hailed by world public opinion as the arrival of a messiah."
LOL Hehehehe, Dancre you crack me up! Great!
Bob, it was exerts from an American online news paper dated early this year. Sorry, haven't got the link. There was more to it, but this was more relevent than the rest.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/13/2008 12:28:04 AM
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Check this story out:
8,000 Beduins stake their claim as the lost tribe of Barack Obama
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first, you have a very bad master; and, next, your master has a fool for his servant.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/13/2008 10:04:51 AM
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yea he's some what of a savior, he saved us from another eight years of mccsame i mean mccain lol bad joke lol
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/13/2008 12:19:30 PM
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Well, one thing is for sure. Obama will bring radical change to America. Changes that i'm sure, on the surface will not all appear to be bad, but changes that will re-shape the constitution that will not be easily reversed.
With his leanings towards socialism, his government will fit in a lot easier with what will be required to be part of the rising global government structure. In a few short months from now, the USA will look and sound a lot more like Europe, and will not be so different a place than even modern day Russia, enabling her to form a union with the rest of this rising political fortress with teeth. If only Hitler could have seen the future, i'm sure he'd have kicked himself, being able to fulfil his vision without a shot being fired.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/13/2008 4:59:55 PM
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Well, one thing is for sure.
When are you going to post that? Thus far, all I've read is conjecture and guess-work (much of it without any basis other than Obama being a Democrat and a bunch of Conservatives being scared that he's going to do something right, and hoping to God that he does stuff wrong simply so their party can regain power without having to reform itself at all).
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/13/2008 5:33:08 PM
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im so happy obama is the president i could pee on myself!!! its just sad that people arn't that receptive of what obama's bringing to the table this is the only time in history that i can finaly say im proud to be an american! wow! and you you know somebody made a good point when they said obama's speeches, really aren't to polised.
don't get me wrong, he's a heck of a speaker, but he's not a fluid smooth speaker which i believe the antichrist will posses as far as smoothness goes. but i do agree he is going to play a big roll in endtime prophecy but some of us are way off the mark!
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/13/2008 6:29:45 PM
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LOL, Hi Jrila, and Torch heart. Firstly, Bless you.
As I say to anyone, we all have our opinions and views and 'for the time being' should be allowed to air them. In the arena of prophecy, much of what is investigated by its very nature has to be speculative and guess work. For myself, I do not have any personal feelings towards any party in American politics. World politics yes. The thing that has struck me, as something that I do see as important, is that now seated in the most powerful seat in the world at present, is a man that clearly does not regard God's word as something sacred, and infact finds it in himself to be able to ridicule the concept that we should take God's word serious in areas of State and politics in general. Mocking God's Law and more importantly, mocking Christ's words openly as a concept unworkable in the real word. It's on this thread somewhere, and as it's a speech made by himself, I think this qualifies as non skeptical source.
I do 'personally' feel that Obama will lead America head long into world government. I'm sure his socialist slant, (which I have nothing against) will prove to do some good for some. But it's this slant 'I' feel will eventually lead America down the Global path.
I know that for myself personally, no matter how much I may agree with the politics of any man, as soon as I heard him mock God's law, and Mock my Lord who I love, I could not side with such a man. Because that is where my loyalties are, with Jesus. And it just plain hurts me to hear the author of wisdom and peace being mocked for political gain. But that's just me. Jesus first, and next, those that love him. Not a liberal, watered down, powerless form of empty sentiment type Christianity that denies the power of the Gospel and the never changing word of God.
I personally am not saying he is anti-Christ, but do feel that he, because of his liberal and mocking disdain for the truth of God's word, could well be used to help bring in a world order. Also the level of worship he seems to enjoy shows me that the world is scared and wants a hero. I just hope they choose the correct one.
I personally am not on this forum to get into personal arguments with anyone. So this ends here for me. Enjoy posting your views, and I'll enjoy posting mine. If you want to debate them with me, fantastic, but do it in a respectful attitude. We all deserve that much respect as brothers and sisters in Christ.
So, once again, and genuinely, may God bless you, and one thing is definite in points of view within prophecy - Time will tell
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/13/2008 6:49:26 PM
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im so happy obama is the president i could pee on myself!!!
Yep...you sound like an Obamaniac. 
Oh, yeah...edited to remind you...he's not the president yet. His proper title is President-Elect Obamessiah, thank you very much.
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/13/2008 8:09:03 PM
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blessing's to you as well sonic student! by the way what country are you from?? you know people obama is probly going to end up being the greatest president of all time because he represents all of us! his diversity makes other country's respect us a lot more which is a good thing and to that i may add obama has shown more christ like characterestics than any other president or president elect than any other i've seen in a long time except for maybe lincon.
now tell me sonic student, where in a speech or a book or anywhere else has obama openly mocked god's law??? i havn't heard anything coming from obama that made me think he was mocking our personal lord and savior. so please, enlighten me.
peter gunn how's it going brother in christ?? im defitnetly a obama supporter 110% to be exact but jesus is who im crazy about. but i must admit, i do see alot of jesus in obama as far as character goes and i know its hard to see somebody so moraly sound, disciplined, intelligent,
good hearted, elegant, speaks with eloquence, and not think he's the anit-christ thats understandable but according to the bible obama is not our man.
now do i think obama is going to play big role in prophecy? as sarah palin would say " YOU BET CHA" LOL
may god bless us all
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RE: Obama and The End Times... - 11/13/2008 8:54:58 PM
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blessing's to you as well sonic student! by the way what country are you from?? you know people obama is probly going to end up being the greatest president of all time because he represents all of us! his diversity makes other country's respect us a lot more which is a good thing and to that i may add obama has shown more christ like characterestics than any other president or president elect than any other i've seen in a long time except for maybe lincon.
now tell me sonic student, where in a speech or a book or anywhere else has obama openly mocked god's law??? i havn't heard anything coming from obama that made me think he was mocking our personal lord and savior. so please, enlighten me.
peter gunn how's it going brother in christ?? im defitnetly a obama supporter 110% to be exact but jesus is who im crazy about. but i must admit, i do see alot of jesus in obama as far as character goes and i know its hard to see somebody so moraly sound, disciplined, intelligent,
good hearted, elegant, speaks with eloquence, and not think he's the anit-christ thats understandable but according to the bible obama is not our man.
now do i think obama is going to play big role in prophecy? as sarah palin would say " YOU BET CHA" LOL
may god bless us all
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and not think he's the anit-christ thats understandable but according to the bible obama is not our man.
Thats what we are wondering also
Do think he knows nothing also about this also? An if so ...what do you think he will do about it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDEAYgm0Dv8&eurl=http://www.onenewsnow.com/Blog/Default.aspx?id=315228
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i do see alot of jesus in obama as far as character goes and i know its hard to see somebody so moraly sound, disciplined, intelligent,
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