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RE: Emerging/Emergent Church Movement. - 11/20/2008 1:50:03 PM
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Roberta_
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Thanks for the link Kat.
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There are a variety of translations of the Bible. However, there is no new and improved Bible. There are a lot of times where things in the Bible don't feel good to us. That's the time to examine our lives and find out why they don't feel good. It's the time to change our lives, not our Bibles.
It's nauseating to think of the churches that state on the outside "come as you are," sound so friendly and inviting. Those four little words sound so wonderful. They are deadly!
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RE: Emerging/Emergent Church Movement. - 11/20/2008 3:32:55 PM
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Please clarify. Are you really saying that outside of Jesus being crucified and risen, that the rest of scripture simply each person's own interpretation?
Yes you got it there right. So who out there, in the churchs that are abounding. Are they all right in their thinking? Like just for instance, in these threads someone might believe that tongues happen today. Some may say that no that went out the door, after we got people going to colleges and learning different lanquages. Then someone might take Paul serious about the long hair and jewelry in church. Maybe the part of a woman not to teach, to remain silent.
This is where you get into different ideas of what a persons take is on certain passages in the bible. Just as rabbis will do in interprepating the torah and prophets.
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RE: Emerging/Emergent Church Movement. - 11/20/2008 4:09:10 PM
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mcleod- Those issues are not salavic issues. There is a serious problem with embracing buddhism to promote unity.
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RE: Emerging/Emergent Church Movement. - 11/20/2008 4:13:46 PM
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Ichiban
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It appears as though it is a loose confederation of churches who preach different things so it's hard for me to pin down what the emerging church's doctrinal stances on things
Sort of like nailing jello to a tree? 
Once again, proof that a movement that doesn't view God's Word as their ultimate authority can believe anything they want! There are no absolutes. They just make it up as they go along and change it as their experiences dictate.
I would disagree with your overall assessment of what the negatives of a "loose confederation". For instance, just because they are not heavy in the organization doesn't mean they don't stand on God's Word. So long as the individual church describes what they believe, I can make a good decision on where to go if I ever moved somewhere else in the country.
You seem to have a problem with changing the tune of the message based on where you are. Why is that? I've never understood that. And to clarify, I mean tuning as a means to change the sound, but not the song.
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RE: Emerging/Emergent Church Movement. - 11/20/2008 4:18:07 PM
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Roberta_
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Ichiban - did you watch the link that Kat provided?
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RE: Emerging/Emergent Church Movement. - 11/20/2008 8:09:00 PM
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Ichiban
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Ichiban - did you watch the link that Kat provided?
I didn't see it at the time :x
Having seen it now, I understand what Kat was saying. I would still use the point hat the Emerging Church is so loose in its organization that its hard to simply stereotype them as having the same doctrine. I had never even heard of the Emerging Church until last night so I have to read up on a lot of things so I'll find if their are consistencies in the accusation that there is a lack of Truth, being told.
But I now see where Kat is coming from with her post :D
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RE: Emerging/Emergent Church Movement. - 11/20/2008 10:04:53 PM
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Come and discover Japan's spirituality, with me!
Would love to go to Japan, but not to discover her spirituality.
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RE: Emerging/Emergent Church Movement. - 11/21/2008 2:39:33 AM
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Ichiban
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Come and discover Japan's spirituality, with me!
Would love to go to Japan, but not to discover her spirituality.
The Church in Japan is....floundering to say the least. The Church has been there for centuries and about 1% is Christian. SO. Meh. Sorry for the temporary hijack of the thread :x
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RE: Emerging/Emergent Church Movement. - 11/21/2008 8:10:01 AM
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I had never even heard of the Emerging Church until last night so I have to read up on a lot of things so I'll find if their are consistencies in the accusation that there is a lack of Truth, being told.
I was myself a bit back-and-forth on it at first, too, but as I've learned more about it, the more I've come to think that it's a pretty big deception. Here are some links that may help settle things in your mind.
Faith House
First, take a look at their advisory council, on the left side of the page--2 in Judaism, 2 in Chrisitanity, 3 in Islam, and 2 in Hinduism.
Then check the Mission, Vision, and Principles page, where you'll get such buckeyes as these.
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4. GENEROUS BELIEF: We believe that our faiths can always grow deeper and that none of our religions, worldviews, philosophies, or belief systems no matter how true, beautiful, or powerful, can ever contain all wisdom, blessing, or power.
5. RE-INTERPRETATION: We continually seek deeper levels of understanding by interpreting and re-interpreting our texts and traditions.
And if you wonder if this group is emergent, scroll down a bit on either page, and you'll see on the left the green 'friend of emergent village' banner.
Postmodernism and the Emerging Church Movement
There's actually several pages here about emergent, this being a kind of intro page to what's there. The things leaders of that movement have said can make for some telling reading.
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RE: Emerging/Emergent Church Movement. - 11/21/2008 8:32:11 AM
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Ichiban-
I've never read the wiki article, but I have read Rob Bell's Velvet Elvis. It came to me highly recommended by an extended family member, so I opened it expecting it to be excellent. Instead I found it more and more disturbing the farther I read.
I understand not wanting to read all these postings (I don't either). But maybe you could read one of the books by this guy and get it straight from the horse's mouth, so to speak. Wikipedia isn't the greatest primary source, you know.
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RE: Emerging/Emergent Church Movement. - 11/21/2008 10:34:47 AM
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ORIGINAL: Ichiban
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ORIGINAL: Roberta_
Ichiban - did you watch the link that Kat provided?
I didn't see it at the time :x
Having seen it now, I understand what Kat was saying. I would still use the point hat the Emerging Church is so loose in its organization that its hard to simply stereotype them as having the same doctrine. I had never even heard of the Emerging Church until last night so I have to read up on a lot of things so I'll find if their are consistencies in the accusation that there is a lack of Truth, being told.
But I now see where Kat is coming from with her post :D
Here's Pyromaniacs Motivational Posters to concisely explain the movement. 
Pure greatness :D
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RE: Emerging/Emergent Church Movement. - 11/21/2008 10:36:42 AM
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Ichiban
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Ichiban-
I've never read the wiki article, but I have read Rob Bell's Velvet Elvis. It came to me highly recommended by an extended family member, so I opened it expecting it to be excellent. Instead I found it more and more disturbing the farther I read.
I understand not wanting to read all these postings (I don't either). But maybe you could read one of the books by this guy and get it straight from the horse's mouth, so to speak. Wikipedia isn't the greatest primary source, you know.
I hear you on Wiki.
I actually liked Rob Bell's NOOMA series (at least the ons I saw), so it'll be an interesting read as I know his style is somewhat all over the place, lol
Thanks :)
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RE: Emerging/Emergent Church Movement. - 11/21/2008 11:12:46 AM
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Same Sex Marriage Blogalogue: How I Went from There to Here
Relevant here because the author, Tony Jones, is one of leaders at Emergent Village and an emergent writer and works at Pagitt's Solomon's Porch church-like-thingy.
Bolded text is mirrored on the blog.
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With that in mind, I always responded, "I'm holding that issue in abeyance. I haven't made up my mind yet, and I'm in no hurry to. Homosexuality," I would say, "I one issue that I don't want to get wrong."
And yet, all the time I could feel myself drifting toward acceptance that gay persons are fully human persons and should be afforded all of the cultural and ecclesial benefits that I am. ("Aha!" my critics will laugh derisively, "I knew he and his ilk were on a continuous leftward slide!")
In any case, I now believe that GLBTQ can live lives in accord with biblical Christianity (at least as much as any of us can!) and that their monogamy can and should be sanctioned and blessed by church and state.
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RE: Emerging/Emergent Church Movement. - 11/21/2008 12:00:54 PM
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Roberta_
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I understand not wanting to read all these postings (I don't either). But maybe you could read one of the books by this guy and get it straight from the horse's mouth, so to speak. Wikipedia isn't the greatest primary source, you know.
I haven't read all the posts either.
I like Wiki, but agree that it's not always the most reliable source.
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RE: Emerging/Emergent Church Movement. - 11/21/2008 1:17:45 PM
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funny website...one of the older "posters" is somewhat outdated, but nonetheless funny.
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RE: Emerging/Emergent Church Movement. - 11/21/2008 3:44:44 PM
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After WWII, Gen. McArthur begged for the US to send missionaries to Japan. Due to the aminosity built up during the war, his pleas went unanswered. However, after the Korean Conflict, missionaries were sent.
Look at what percentage of Korea is Christian vs what percent is Christian in Japan..
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