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RE: Was his question a good one? - 10/17/2008 9:03:38 AM
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Consecrated2God
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I don't get what the back taxes thing has anything to do with this. Does the fact that he still owes taxes mean he doesn't have the right to be concerned about his taxes rising further?
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 10/17/2008 9:18:12 AM
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At least a full half of this country is running full bore straight to socialism and most of them are too stupid to even realize it. I really think God is letting us destroy ourselves.
For me this is a God thing. In scripture you notice that God withheld "food" "rain" and "domestic peace" from the people inorder to bring them back to him. HE withheld these things. Even then what did the people do? Read Malachi....they continued to run way from him being even "more disobedient" to Him. They believed they could not afford to serve him and it was of little value to even try to obey him.
Then God spoke to them. Gone to get scripture.
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13 "You have said harsh things against me," says the Lord. "Yet you ask, 'What have we said against you?' 14 "You have said, 'It is futile to serve God. What did we gain by carrying out his requirements and going about like mourners before the Lord Almighty? 15 But now we call the arrogant blessed. Certainly the evildoers prosper, and even those who challenge God escape.'"
16 Then those who feared the Lord talked with each other, and the Lord listened and heard. A scroll of remembrance was written in his presence concerning those who feared the Lord and honored his name. 17 "They will be mine," says the Lord Almighty, "in the day when I make up my treasured possession. I will spare them, just as in compassion a man spares his son who serves him.
18 And you will again see the distinction between the righteous and the wicked, between those who serve God and those who do not.
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 10/17/2008 9:21:17 AM
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I don't get what the back taxes thing has anything to do with this. Does the fact that he still owes taxes mean he doesn't have the right to be concerned about his taxes rising further?
My thoughts exactly.
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 10/17/2008 11:41:53 AM
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You think the thugocracy he's creating now, as just a candidate with an adoring press, is something, just wait til he has the full force and weight of the federal government at his disposal, too. This is going to be something, folks. Got anything to say, in the way of dissent, better get it out now, and keep it as anonymous as possible.
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RE: Was Joe The Plumber really a plant? - 10/17/2008 11:51:30 AM
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Some have wondered if Joe The Plumber really was concerned about the tax cut or just a "plant" to get a "gotcha" moment for Obama. Well according to the NYT...
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/16/joe-in-the-spotlight/
Yea , the plant part is true! I read somewhere , I think it was a reliable source like a blog or something that a republican campaign official tried to get McCain into a disguise to ask the question himself, ya know, to trick Obama into spilling the beans on what he really plans on doing.
But after they realized that McCain had trouble disguising his voice , that's when they decided to get somebody else to do it. A nation wide search went out and that's how the story of Joe the plumber the guy who works for a plumbing company but isn't really a plumber came to be!
So you are definately on to something there, keep researching you will get to the bottom of your black hole eventually.
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 10/17/2008 12:16:42 PM
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I don't get what the back taxes thing has anything to do with this. Does the fact that he still owes taxes mean he doesn't have the right to be concerned about his taxes rising further?
My thoughts exactly.
I think this is what's called "The Politics of Personal Destruction"; When you cannot argue your point, you attempt to destroy those who question you. Josef Stalin would be proud...
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 10/17/2008 12:31:01 PM
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We don't know when Jesus is to come back. But, we do know the conditions of the earth WHEN he comes back. If the events of the last month, with the credit crisis, doesn't make us sit up an take notice, then nothing will. Evil can happen very, very quickly. I don't FEAR what is coming. I simply SEE it coming.
And, again, the reason why I see it is the length of time that the radicals of the 60's have had to wait for their 'victory' and the fact that many of them have so little time left to see the REAL Nirvana that they've hoped for so long. This means that they will feel the need for speed and once in power they will want to consolidate their position of power very, very quickly.
You see, the the very ideals that lead you to have faith in the American people and the Constitution are exactly the same ideals that the socialist fear most. So, as quickly as possible they must nutralize them. But, it will always be through some great emergency that gives them cover.
God founded the Nation of Israel; but, that did stop him from allowing it to fall to their enemies over and over again.
I know these people and I know they are vicious. Not your democrat neighbors and friends. They're simply well meaning stooges responding to lies and deceptions by the very people that are poised to make them entirely dependent on the socialist elites and the government that they run.
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I'm expecting something that most closely resembles the French Revolution where the annti-Christian leadership went from saying they wanted freedom from the aristocracy to a reign of tyranny that greatly outdid the tyranny of those they disposed. There is a pent up rage in the left that may be about to be unleashed.
Whilst I agree with you in principal I am not sure that your fears will be overly experienced. Yeah, I am afraid of an Obama presidency along with an liberal leftist congress! HOWEVER, I have more faith in a) the constitution, b) the American People. The principals that set the United States of America in forward motion are still legitimate, valid and relevant. We are more than conquerors! and as it is in Romans 8:28- "And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose." This country and its foundation will prevail because God set it in motion and I don't think God is ready for it to be destroyed, I don't know, I'm not a profit but I can't see that happening!
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 10/17/2008 1:03:46 PM
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One week ago, Joe Wurzelbacher was just another working man living in a modest ranch house near Toledo thinking about how to expand his plumbing business. But when he stopped Senator Barack Obama during a visit to his block this weekend to ask about his taxes, he set himself on a path to being the newest media celebrity — and, like other celebrities, found himself under scrutiny.
What I do sure know is that Joe The Plumber is very charming, very handsome and a breath of fresh air also...
Congratulations Mrs Wurzelbacher! 
I do not think he is a "spy" thou but just a regular guy.
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 10/17/2008 1:12:07 PM
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Yep, Karl Rove planted the dude knowing The Messiah would go up to "Joe's place" to seek his vote and knowinly create ths mess. If the media can dig up Joe's records so quickly, why have they been so lax on not going for his disertation, his actions while on the board of the Anneburg Institute, his medical records,....
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 10/17/2008 1:38:20 PM
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I'm not suggesting that every stone in this guy's past be turned up, but don't tell me you didn't expect the media would want to confirm Joe's story after McCain used him as a prop last night.
Yes, and let this be a lesson to anyone who dares to question Obama, only those who live spotless lives may address the The One.
It is amazing to me how quickly the left is embracing a thugocracy.
What nonsense. Joe's background in not becoming the subject of media attention because he asked Obama a question, it is because McCain referenced him 20 times in the debate.
Here a newsflash for you. In this day of easy access to public records via the Internet, ANYONE who gains sudden notoriety, no matter which side of the political fence they are on, is going to have such information published by someone.
If Joe suffers at all from this, the one and only person to blame for it is McCain.
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 10/17/2008 1:39:52 PM
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If they come up with a Joe's doll in adition to his plumber clothing I would have him in a State Police uniform also..he may be a plumber but he does look like those State Polices officers we find ..well they find us speeding in the highways etc up north.. They have very nice uniforms and those boots are awesome so shinning I want one of those also, their hats very cool and their trousers gaucho style..very stylish indeed.
Well, sorry going of topic but some have their theories, ideas etc about Mr Joe and I do have my own also.
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 10/17/2008 1:50:03 PM
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I'm not suggesting that every stone in this guy's past be turned up, but don't tell me you didn't expect the media would want to confirm Joe's story after McCain used him as a prop last night.
Yes, and let this be a lesson to anyone who dares to question Obama, only those who live spotless lives may address the The One.
It is amazing to me how quickly the left is embracing a thugocracy.
What nonsense. Joe's background in not becoming the subject of media attention because he asked Obama a question, it is because McCain referenced him 20 times in the debate.
Here a newsflash for you. In this day of easy access to public records via the Internet, ANYONE who gains sudden notoriety, no matter which side of the political fence they are on, is going to have such information published by someone.
If Joe suffers at all from this, the one and only person to blame for it is McCain.
So basically you are saying anyone who has the audacity to question someone or disagree is subject to invasion of their privacy? I think we see you brand of thinking from someone who voice their opinions in the cloak of darkness.
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 10/17/2008 2:41:10 PM
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Are you so sure???
I was in the news business some years ago and I can tell you this. We would NOT have dug into an average person's background enough to capture his personal and financial information just because he asked Reagan a decent question that Reagan flubbed... even if the question had been shown a million times.
This is about personal vendetta and intimidation by the Annointed One's minions and press protectors. It is about warning the next average person about what can happen if they embarrass the media's messiah. "We WILL hunt you down and destroy you!" THAT is the message behind this particular public attention.
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I'm not suggesting that every stone in this guy's past be turned up, but don't tell me you didn't expect the media would want to confirm Joe's story after McCain used him as a prop last night.
Yes, and let this be a lesson to anyone who dares to question Obama, only those who live spotless lives may address the The One.
It is amazing to me how quickly the left is embracing a thugocracy.
What nonsense. Joe's background in not becoming the subject of media attention because he asked Obama a question, it is because McCain referenced him 20 times in the debate.
Here a newsflash for you. In this day of easy access to public records via the Internet, ANYONE who gains sudden notoriety, no matter which side of the political fence they are on, is going to have such information published by someone.
If Joe suffers at all from this, the one and only person to blame for it is McCain.
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 10/17/2008 2:57:19 PM
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It's great to be here in Miami. Florida is a must-win state on November 4th, and with your help, we're going to win Florida, and bring change to Washington, DC. We had a good debate this week. You may have noticed-- there was a lot of talk about Senator Obama's tax increases and Joe the Plumber. Last weekend, Senator Obama showed up in Joe's driveway to ask for his vote, and Joe asked Senator Obama a tough question. I'm glad he did; I think Senator Obama could use a few more tough questions.
The response from Senator Obama and his campaign yesterday was to attack Joe. People are digging through his personal life and he has TV crews camped out in front of his house. He didn't ask for Senator Obama to come to his house. He wasn't recruited or prompted by our campaign. He just asked a question. And Americans ought to be able to ask Senator Obama tough questions without being smeared and targeted with political attacks.
From McCain's remarks in Florida today.
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 10/17/2008 3:14:21 PM
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This whole attack on our contemporary JOHN DOE is to take
attention AWAY FROM the revealing truth from Senator Government's
own mouth.
As soon as I saw this, I knew there would be the attack talking-points
from that time on. It's the MO of the liberal agenda. Very predictable.
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 10/17/2008 3:36:34 PM
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You think the thugocracy he's creating now, as just a candidate with an adoring press, is something, just wait til he has the full force and weight of the federal government at his disposal, too. This is going to be something, folks. Got anything to say, in the way of dissent, better get it out now, and keep it as anonymous as possible.
Yep, it's on the way.
Conservatives and libertarians better step up and get control of congress.
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 10/17/2008 3:45:57 PM
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I have been trying to think where I had heard the "Spread the wealth around" statement before; I believe it was either in the Communist Manifesto or else some of Che Guevara writings.
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 10/17/2008 3:55:07 PM
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I'm not suggesting that every stone in this guy's past be turned up, but don't tell me you didn't expect the media would want to confirm Joe's story after McCain used him as a prop last night.
Yes, and let this be a lesson to anyone who dares to question Obama, only those who live spotless lives may address the The One.
It is amazing to me how quickly the left is embracing a thugocracy.
What nonsense. Joe's background in not becoming the subject of media attention because he asked Obama a question, it is because McCain referenced him 20 times in the debate.
Here a newsflash for you. In this day of easy access to public records via the Internet, ANYONE who gains sudden notoriety, no matter which side of the political fence they are on, is going to have such information published by someone.
If Joe suffers at all from this, the one and only person to blame for it is McCain.
So basically you are saying anyone who has the audacity to question someone or disagree is subject to invasion of their privacy? I think we see you brand of thinking from someone who voice their opinions in the cloak of darkness.
If his name in mentioned twenty times in a presidential debate, then yes. It's not fair, but it's always been true. No jurnalist worked harder to assassinate the character of innocent people then the newspapers of the 1700s. They just mostly made up stuff.
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 10/17/2008 4:09:20 PM
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If his name in mentioned twenty times in a presidential debate, then yes. It's not fair, but it's always been true. No jurnalist worked harder to assassinate the character of innocent people then the newspapers of the 1700s. They just mostly made up stuff.
Perhaps, although in the 1700's Joe the Plumber wouldn't have had to worry about the IRS putting a lien on his taxes, the state regulating the manner in which he could do common labor like plumbing, or large plumber unions creating ads against him, nor would he have a national press pretending to an unbiased source; so I think on the whole he would have been able to express his opinions with significantly more freedom.
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 10/17/2008 4:42:48 PM
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No jurnalist worked harder to assassinate the character of innocent people then the newspapers of the 1700s. They just mostly made up stuff.
As compared to today, when many journalists selectively determine whose character they will attempt to assassinate based on their own political leanings.
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 10/17/2008 5:09:49 PM
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I have been trying to think where I had heard the "Spread the wealth around" statement before; I believe it was either in the Communist Manifesto or else some of Che Guevara writings.
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It would be Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto.
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 10/17/2008 5:30:45 PM
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I have changed my mind, Joe the plumber is a plant. He is a hardworking, trying to get ahead, take care of his family, type of guy. So I surmise he was, in fact, planted here by no less than the very people who worked hard for the past couple centuries making this a great nation.
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 10/17/2008 5:43:47 PM
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Folks, what we have seen in the last month and moreover the last 48 hours are the final gasps of a dying nation that has rotted from within from so many years of turning away from God. 
Joe represents every common average hard working American. He is the persona of who politicans always fight over. He is you and me both. And now, there is an elitist element that is viciously attacking him b/c he dared to challenge the most glorious individual the Left has seen in it's modern movement.
This shows me without a shadow of a doubt that many of these elitists are true enemies of America. They are invaders who have infiltrated our land and have been in hiding for the last half-century, ready to pounce when the time is right.
The conditions are perfect for our constitutional system to come crashing down, and they know it.
I am starting to move past the shock into a place of reserved anger. I fear soon this reserved anger will become active. And by that I mean I may start to become a bit less civil than I have traditionally been. Unfortunately, there are people who are already less civil than me, and pushing them over that ede much more will result in ugly circumstances.
Part of me, however sinful it may be, secretly wishes Obama would get elected, so we can have this out once and for all.
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It's about time we got some revenge on the dems for that. :P
