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RE: Was his question a good one? - 11/18/2008 8:11:07 AM
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_jjp_
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That is because the Ivy league school graduate had zero leadership experience, zero administrative experience, and came with a socialist message.
Weak Argument! The progressive tax system dates back to a Republican President. Teddy Roosevelt, which was one of McCain's hero's, Probably cause they went to school together! LOL, anyways, the Tax system we have in this country is nothing more than a "Spread the Wealth" system. How else do roads get paved, or construction get paid for? Just get over it, America has finally woken up! It's just a good thing that the GOP's secret lover didnt cost this country the election like it did in 04.
I notice you completely ignored his total lack of administrative experience. As far as the tax system goes. Yes it is already a progressive tax system that i don't agree with, and I don't make enough for it to affect me all that terribly, but just because they have their hands in our pockets already doesn't mean that we should allow them to take whatever they want while they are there.
The rich deserve to keep what they work for every much as you do so in your own words "get over it".
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 11/18/2008 9:11:30 AM
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The rich deserve to keep what they work for every much as you do so in your own words "get over it".
Dont worry I will! People freak out like The poor lil Rich people are going to lose all their money, BooHOO! It's us lil' people that keep this economy going.
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 11/18/2008 9:22:56 AM
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Dont worry I will! People freak out like The poor lil Rich people are going to lose all their money, BooHOO! It's us lil' people that keep this economy going.
Really, us lil people keep the economy going. We own businesses that account for billions of dollars in sales? We lil people pay enough in taxes to keep the government operating? No we don't, without the rich we lil people would have to live of subsitence farming with no money going to cover infrastructure. When you have the rich paying the vast majority of the taxes and the poorest getting "refunds" how exactly does the lil guy keep the economy afloat.
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 11/18/2008 9:24:36 AM
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Yes it is already a progressive tax system that i don't agree with[/quote
Look I could really care less, but I am bit curious. How could you NOT agree with the progressive tax system? The more you make, the more you pay? It only makes sense. You mean to tell me that a person making 24K a year should pay in taxes the same as a person making 250K+? You have got to be joking.
Yet another reason why we definitely need to keep the seperation of Church and State just how it is! 
No i just don't think that a person making 250k should have to pay a greater percentage. They will paymore based on the fact that they make more plus they add to the tax roles by the jobs they produce. In a progressive tax system people are punished for making more money.
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 11/18/2008 9:25:25 AM
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The rich deserve to keep what they work for every much as you do so in your own words "get over it".
Dont worry I will! People freak out like The poor lil Rich people are going to lose all their money, BooHOO! It's us lil' people that keep this economy going.
How many jobs have you created? What goods and services has your capital produced? Tell us in detail how YOU as one of the lil' people are going to hire me and pay me?
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 11/18/2008 9:27:44 AM
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Yes it is already a progressive tax system that i don't agree with[/quote
Look I could really care less, but I am bit curious. How could you NOT agree with the progressive tax system? The more you make, the more you pay? It only makes sense. You mean to tell me that a person making 24K a year should pay in taxes the same as a person making 250K+? You have got to be joking.
Yet another reason why we definitely need to keep the seperation of Church and State just how it is!
No i just don't think that a person making 250k should have to pay a greater percentage. They will paymore based on the fact that they make more plus they add to the tax roles by the jobs they produce. In a progressive tax system people are punished for making more money.
And yet another argument for a Fair Tax. Pay as you buy new goods. Those buying more pay more. Simple and fair.
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 11/18/2008 9:48:28 AM
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Like I said its a blessing to know that we live in a country that believes in Seperation of Church and State, if not who knows what a disaster would be created by extreme views.
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 11/18/2008 9:59:21 AM
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Like I said its a blessing to know that we live in a country that believes in Seperation of Church and State, if not who knows what a disaster would be created by extreme views.
What does seperation of church and state have to do with not wanting an even more burdensome progressive tax system? That makes no sense. What is so extreme about the view that a person should be able to keep what they earn?
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 11/18/2008 10:30:50 AM
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What does separation of church and state have to do with extreme views? Many secular views are quite extreme.
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 11/18/2008 10:41:08 AM
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The far left extremists are just as kooky as the far right. Nuts are nuts however what do they have to do with Joe the Plumber? The left has trampled all over his civil rights in digging the dirt up on him. They say they are the party of the little person but that's just a bunch of hot air. They project what they do.
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 11/18/2008 11:30:26 AM
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Let me explain to you about the importance of Joe the Plumber.
What Obama wants to do is "keep Joe and you" and everyone else who is not currently wealthy from having the ability to do what many of us have already accomplished....become wealthy.
Any business person who is worth spit can tell you that $250K is chump change when looking at the world today and trying to "grow a business" and compete with large corporations. If Obama keeps you and Joe down then you cannot compete with me. Even if I pay more in taxes than you do. You can never get to where I am today. Because once you hit the "low mark" of $250K you and "I" and the billionaire next door are going to be taxed at the "same rate".
It's going to be very hard for a "small business person" to ever have a competative chance to compete with those of us who are established and already well past the $250K mark. It's going to be relatively easy to crush those who even "try" with our having the same "tax rate".
Obama's plan is not so much about bringing me down or your up but keeping people from going beyond a certain level so that they must learn to depend upon the government.
For people in politics they want "power". That's their head game. They know that keeping you down and dependant upon them gives them "great power".
Believe me it's not about forcing Oprah to "give up" what she had. ROFL It's about not allowing "you" to ever accomplish or have what she has.
Wealth in a family tends on average to last only three generations. Obama knows this. Everyday in this country there are people going into the wealthy group and people falling out of the wealthy group. As people "fall out' they will find it harder and harder to ever get back into that group again. Obama does not want to allow people to ever have "more" then he deems OK for them to have. He wants power over the masses as does his party.
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 11/18/2008 1:22:57 PM
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Just remembered something.
Obama made over 4,000,000.00 according to his last tax return. He wants to tax "himself" at the same rate of that Joe would be taxed at making only 250.00.00 (and Joe is trying to operate a business and is not being given "millions" of tax free dollars to advance him business like Obama is)
Obama is not about making "himself" or his "elite" friends poor or even middle class. He is about helping himself and his circle of elite wealthy buddies "gain power".
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 11/18/2008 1:39:13 PM
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Well, maybe Joe should write a book or two, he would make some money in royalties like most people who write books. Better yet, maybe he can get a Plumbers Liscense so he can operate legally!
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 11/18/2008 1:42:24 PM
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He does operate legally. I am in construction. What Joe is doing is VERY LEGAL.
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 11/18/2008 1:47:48 PM
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A radio station held a benefit to raise the funds to pay his back taxes and his license fee. So no need to keep hounding on him. Joe the Plumber will be just fine from the looks of things. Of course every last private citizen should be concerned how the government officials abused their power and leaked confidential information to the public. If you can't see the damage that was done to a private citizen there is lees hope for you than Joe t. Plumber.
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 11/18/2008 1:53:41 PM
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Whatever, private citizens lost their Rightful Expectation to Privacy when the Moron From Texas decided we needed the Patriot act.
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 11/18/2008 1:55:34 PM
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No they did not. There are still strict limits to what the Patriot Act covers. State government officials had no right to access and give out Joe's personal and confidential information for POLITICAL reasons.
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 11/18/2008 2:09:40 PM
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Look, ya'll can defend this dude all you want. The facts are simple. As Glorious and Honorable of a service record that John McCain had, he was "predestined" to lose the election, LOL I cant believe my Arminian self just said that, but there just was too much against McCain. Bush, the economy tanking, Sarah Palin didnt exactly help much after the convention. That Plumber guy campaigning on stage with McCain put himself out there. What exactly did people think would happen when this dude showed up on stage? Maybe she should be Palin's running mate in 2012 so the GOP can finally implode and just fizzle away........
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 11/18/2008 2:18:05 PM
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Maybe she should be Palin's running mate in 2012 so the GOP can finally implode and just fizzle away........ I think you mean he should be the running mate, and as I suggested earlier - What a fine idea! That way when it is conservatives who win the election (and if you look over the returns across the country you'll see that those who are in fact strong conservatives DID win) I'll be looking for you to "just get over it". 
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 11/18/2008 2:35:40 PM
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Really? How did the conservatives actually win? Im not being facetious either. Last I check the majority was still in favor of the Dems.
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 11/18/2008 2:37:40 PM
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Look, ya'll can defend this dude all you want. The facts are simple. As Glorious and Honorable of a service record that John McCain had, he was "predestined" to lose the election, LOL I cant believe my Arminian self just said that, but there just was too much against McCain. Bush, the economy tanking, Sarah Palin didnt exactly help much after the convention. That Plumber guy campaigning on stage with McCain put himself out there. What exactly did people think would happen when this dude showed up on stage? Maybe she should be Palin's running mate in 2012 so the GOP can finally implode and just fizzle away........
The media didn't put 0bama's personal information out there like they did a private citizen. Joe is just a regular citizen. He was not running for office and has no impact on everyone's life unlike 0bama will with his marxist policies that he wants to enact through executive order.
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 11/18/2008 2:40:43 PM
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Marxist? LOL, I love it Christians always throw the M word around when a Democrat gets in office but omit the term Fascist when a republican takes over. Thank God the Bush occupation is coming to an end............
Oh and by the way Obama's "personal" info was out there. I remember back in the spring looking online at the tax returns of Obama/ Hillary and John McCain. it's actually avaliable.
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 11/18/2008 2:47:36 PM
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Really? How did the conservatives actually win? Im not being facetious either. Last I check the majority was still in favor of the Dems.
Look at local races for everything from dogcatcher to congress. Those who were identified as conservative won. Those who may have been GOP but acted like liberals didn't and lost to Dems.
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RE: Was his question a good one? - 11/18/2008 2:47:38 PM
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He is the one who hung out with the marxists all of his life.
As far as the tax records being in the public it is pretty much a requirement to disclose for public officials. Public officials are held under a different mandate than private citizens. What part of a person who was a private citizen had his personal information accessed and leaked to the media by state government officials do you not understand? It was wrong and an abuse of power all for political gain.
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