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RE: Boy, 8, Charged with Premeditated Murder of Dad - 11/9/2008 8:57:24 PM
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His_4_Ever
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Ariz. town offers support for accused boy's family
Ask anyone here, and chances are they know a member of the Romero family.
"Everybody knows them because there's like 100 of them," said Marybeth Ellsworth, who played the piano at Romero's wedding in September. "They're very well-liked in the community."
A prayer service was scheduled Sunday for Romero, and his funeral Mass was set for Monday at St. John the Baptist Catholic Church.
Resident Flynt Smith said Romero and Romans were "the best neighbors we've ever had." They helped out when he was installing sprinklers in his yard and when his roof needed repairs, he said.
Such relationships are common in St. Johns, a town of about 4,000 people 170 miles northeast of Phoenix, helping draw new people to the community and ensuring that those who were born there stick around as longtime residents, said Smith's wife, Amber.
"I feel you help each other raise each other's children, and you don't see that anymore," she said.
Chelsie Jaramillo, who moved into the house across the street from Vincent Romero just two weeks ago with her husband and two children, said Romero's wife, Tiffany, welcomed her and told her to holler if she ever needed anything.
"They were really nice," said Jaramillo, 19.
At St. John the Baptist, Romero sang in the choir and his wife had also signed up. The couple spent two years preparing for marriage, and when they tied the knot in September the "church was packed," Sauter said.
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It would appear that Mr. Romero was a upright standup kind of guy in his community and at church. I think maybe the boy's mother could've put him up to it or he got in trouble and was upset about being punished. Whatever the reason he knew shooting his father could lead to his father's death and he choose to do it anyway. I remember times when I was little and got in trouble, I would act on the "anger emotions" without really reflecting on the consequences. I don't think this 8 year old boy really thought about what the finality of his actions would bring. When it comes down to it though, if his father hadn't taught him how to shoot and made guns accessible to him, chances of something like this happening would have been a lot slimmer.
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RE: Boy, 8, Charged with Premeditated Murder of Dad - 11/9/2008 9:03:30 PM
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It would appear that Mr. Romero was a upright standup kind of guy in his community and at church. I think maybe the boy's mother could've put him up to it or he got in trouble and was upset about being punished. Whatever the reason he knew shooting his father could lead to his father's death and he choose to do it anyway. I remember times when I was little and got in trouble, I would act on the "anger emotions" without really reflecting on the consequences. I don't think this 8 year old boy really thought about what the finality of his actions would bring.
It's one or the other...
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When it comes down to it though, if his father hadn't taught him how to shoot and made guns accessible to him, chances of something like this happening would have been a lot slimmer.
If you are going to play the 'if" game...
If they aborted him it would have never happened...
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RE: Boy, 8, Charged with Premeditated Murder of Dad - 11/10/2008 12:10:42 PM
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The boy, who faces two counts of premeditated murder, did not act on the spur of the moment, Police Chief Roy Melnick said.
"I'm not accusing anybody of anything at this point," he said Saturday. "But we're certainly going to look at the abuse part of this. He's 8 years old. He just doesn't decide one day that he's going to shoot his father and shoot his father's friend for no reason. Something led up to this."
Melnick said police had responded to calls of domestic violence at the Romero home in the past, but police were searching records Saturday to determine when those calls were placed.
Boy 8 charged...
...there may be more to the story than meets the eye. According to the above, the police are looking into the possibility that one or both men were abusing the boy.
Whatever the case may be, an 8 year old should not have easy access to a loaded gun.
Let's get more info. This is not an accident that might happen with a child having access to a gun. I don't like the idea of kids and guns, but this case is about lots more than the weapon used.
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RE: Boy, 8, Charged with Premeditated Murder of Dad - 11/10/2008 2:16:26 PM
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Apparently this boy knew exactly what he was doing. It appears his Father's teaching him how use a rifle is one of the causes leading to this incident. It also is apparent his father didn't secure his guns so they wouldn't be accessible without his supervision. I would just like to know what motivated this child to kill not only his father, but a friend of the family too. No matter the what motivated this child, it's a very sad situation and could have been prevented.
ST. JOHNS, Ariz. — An 8-year-old boy is due in court Monday to face two counts of premeditated murder in the shooting death of his father and a friend, a hearing on the same day mourners were to gather for a funeral.
Police say the boy, a third-grader, confessed to planning and carrying out the shooting deaths of his father, Vincent Romero, 29, and a co-worker who rented a room from him. The men were found dead inside Romero's home northeast of Phoenix on Wednesday.
Authorities had no motive for the shootings.
"That's what's puzzling to us," Police Chief Roy Melnick said Monday on NBC's "Today" show. "There's no record of any problems in school, no reported abuse
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RE: Boy, 8, Charged with Premeditated Murder of Dad - 11/10/2008 2:23:19 PM
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Another possibility is that he could be a child psychopath.
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RE: Boy, 8, Charged with Premeditated Murder of Dad - 11/10/2008 2:35:55 PM
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How come most shooting deaths have nothing to do with protecting ones family?
A better question is why do you never hear of shooting deaths related to protecting family? In my area we hear stories all the time about people defending themselves with their firearm, but without having to shoot anyone. I hear about little old ladies with shotguns scaring of punks several times a year... and I'm not even that plugged into radio and/or TV. It is not always necessary to use a gun against an intruder. Most of the time the threat of a firearm is enough to send them running before a shot has to be fired at them.
The bottom line is that deviants will always find a way. The question is whether or not you're going to leave innocent people defenseless against them.
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RE: Boy, 8, Charged with Premeditated Murder of Dad - 11/10/2008 2:49:59 PM
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It appears his Father's teaching him how use a rifle is one of the causes leading to this incident.
So drivers education in school is a leading cause of teenage deaths?
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It also is apparent his father didn't secure his guns so they wouldn't be accessible without his supervision.
The boy planned it so it's a bit of an assumption to say the father didn't secure the gun...
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No matter the what motivated this child, it's a very sad situation and could have been prevented.
It's generally tough to stop planned attacks...
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RE: Boy, 8, Charged with Premeditated Murder of Dad - 11/10/2008 10:11:46 PM
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I'm not saying everyone who owns a gun will misuse their guns, but statistics indicate people who own guns are more likely to use them in domestic disputes
"Would you be happier if they were pushed out of windows". - Archie bunker
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RE: Boy, 8, Charged with Premeditated Murder of Dad - 11/10/2008 11:04:37 PM
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End time events in the works........
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RE: Boy, 8, Charged with Premeditated Murder of Dad - 11/10/2008 11:12:13 PM
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St. Johns police are hoping a judge will agree to try the boy as an adult but admit it's unlikely.
Why? I never understood that - what do they hope to accomplish by trying an 8-yr old as an adult?
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RE: Boy, 8, Charged with Premeditated Murder of Dad - 11/10/2008 11:24:45 PM
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How come most shooting deaths have nothing to do with protecting ones family?
Who's to say this boy wasn't protecting himself? Let's just wait and see what comes out in the investigation. Abuse has been brought up as a possibility by the police, so maybe this shooting will be proved to be justified.
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RE: Boy, 8, Charged with Premeditated Murder of Dad - 11/10/2008 11:44:57 PM
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This is so sad!  What's really bad is that this is not just an isolated case. According to what I heard on my local newscast, there has been an increase in children committing violent crimes like murder for some time now.
That's what happens when you give kids unlimited access to violent TV shows & videos, games and cartoons, IMHO. They see the violence on these various forms of media and think it's "cool". Kids, especially young ones, can't always distinguish reality from fantasy. This eight year old might have that realization, but I find it hard to believe that a child his age could plan and carry out premeditated murder with the same degree an adult charged with the same crime would need to be convicted.
While I'm not a legal expert and don't know the best way that they should deal with this situation, I think that the child needs some serious psychological counseling to overcome the emotional traumas that he might face in his life as a result of this terrible event. He also needs someone to tell him about how Jesus died for him and his sins, so let's pray for him, okay?
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RE: Boy, 8, Charged with Premeditated Murder of Dad - 11/11/2008 12:10:00 AM
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StephK, thanks for the link. It was very interesting. You might want to put up a warning, it is not for the faint of heart.
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RE: Boy, 8, Charged with Premeditated Murder of Dad - 11/11/2008 12:16:27 AM
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..and they say a village raises a child. Nope. This isn't about murder or guns. Its about poor parenting. The cure isn't gunlaws. The cure is Jesus Christ as head of a two parent home...not more restrictive laws.
Yep, I totally agree!
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RE: Boy, 8, Charged with Premeditated Murder of Dad - 11/11/2008 12:34:55 AM
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StephK, thanks for the link. It was very interesting. You might want to put up a warning, it is not for the faint of heart.
Done.
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RE: Boy, 8, Charged with Premeditated Murder of Dad - 11/11/2008 9:43:24 AM
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StephK, thanks for the link. It was very interesting. You might want to put up a warning, it is not for the faint of heart.
Sorry, I watch Forensic Files and other shows on Tru tv and didn't think the content was that bad. It is disturbing but the disturbing thing for me about it is that it is happening. Whether it's increasing or just simply being dealt with now is not yet determined. If child killers are increasing then we need to find out why. For some reason the 8 year old boy in this story was charged as an adult for premeditated murder. There had to be some evidence showing that this was the case.
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RE: Boy, 8, Charged with Premeditated Murder of Dad - 11/11/2008 1:39:51 PM
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From all reports it appeared the boy and his father had a good relationship. I'm beginning to wonder if the father was even the main the target. Maybe, this other man who was shot was the primary target. This other man was living with them, maybe he was abusing the boy. In the boy's mind maybe he blamed his father for letting it happen and not protecting him. That's the only reason that really makes sense to me. I guess we won't find out until the boy's trial is over.
Gag order in case of boy charged with killing 2
ST. JOHNS, Ariz. – An 8-year-old boy charged in the shooting deaths of his father and another man appeared in handcuffs at a court hearing, drawing tears from some in the audience, and the judge slapped a gag order on the shocking case.
While friends and neighbors disputed a suggestion that the boy had been abused, the judge on Monday proclaimed the gag order necessary to prevent "loose-cannon pronouncements."
The boy — who has been charged as a juvenile with two counts of murder — sat restlessly next to his mother, fidgeting, tapping his fingers on the table, and swiveling and rocking in his chair. His mother declined to comment as she left the courthouse.
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RE: Boy, 8, Charged with Premeditated Murder of Dad - 11/11/2008 1:49:48 PM
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From all reports it appeared the boy and his father had a good relationship.
No one outside the family can know what went on behind closed doors. Many children who are abused belong to what outwardly appears to be a model family and home life. I am waiting to see what comes out in the trial.
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RE: Boy, 8, Charged with Premeditated Murder of Dad - 11/11/2008 3:47:35 PM
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StephK, thanks for the link. It was very interesting. You might want to put up a warning, it is not for the faint of heart.
Sorry, I watch Forensic Files and other shows on Tru tv and didn't think the content was that bad. It is disturbing but the disturbing thing for me about it is that it is happening. Whether it's increasing or just simply being dealt with now is not yet determined. If child killers are increasing then we need to find out why. For some reason the 8 year old boy in this story was charged as an adult for premeditated murder. There had to be some evidence showing that this was the case.
I understand. I know I am really sensitive about children involved in crimes, victums or otherwise.
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RE: Boy, 8, Charged with Premeditated Murder of Dad - 11/11/2008 4:04:59 PM
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After working with abused kids and violent kids nothing surprises me anymore.
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RE: Boy, 8, Charged with Premeditated Murder of Dad - 11/11/2008 4:12:46 PM
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Bless you Steph for doing what most of us don't have the courage to do.
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RE: Boy, 8, Charged with Premeditated Murder of Dad - 11/12/2008 11:06:51 AM
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I read in the NYT yesterday that one reason for the premeditated charge is that he shot each man at least 4 times and that he had to reload after each shot. Also after he shot his father he yelled for the roommate to come in and then proceeded to shoot him as he walked in the door from outside.
Prosecutors Say Boy Methodically Shot His Father
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