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RE: PASTOR ARNOLD MURRAY - 11/17/2008 7:37:53 PM
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earthless
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if i had cable i would watch joyce meyer, shes the only other preacher that really caught my eye.
Please don't say that.. it's going from one false teacher to another.
HERE is the one-stop thread on Joyce Meyer. She is classic Word of Faith and (among many things) denies the atonement of Jesus Christ on the cross.
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RE: PASTOR ARNOLD MURRAY - 11/18/2008 8:12:23 AM
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lol i knew id get in trouble for mentioning sister joyce. Hey if nothing else she's considerably "cuter" than arnold murray. Thank God we live in a country,for now anyway, where we can at least still pick who we listen to for the most part
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RE: PASTOR ARNOLD MURRAY - 11/18/2008 8:43:45 AM
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Tom,
And thank God we have His Word, the Bible, to know what is authentic and what is counterfeit.
Thank God you and me will have no excuse before the Lord for why we would pay heed to perverters of His Word and of His Gospel. Because we have the Bible and cannot claim we didn't know or could not know if someone's teachings and claims were false or true.
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RE: PASTOR ARNOLD MURRAY - 11/18/2008 9:13:32 AM
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I would agree earthless. I just dont see the need to totally discard a fantastic bible teacher on account of a couple "wacky" teachings that are vague at best. The creation account in the bible doesnt give a time frame anyway. Gods timing and the way he did things is gonna be somewhat of a mystery and taken on faith.
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RE: PASTOR ARNOLD MURRAY - 11/18/2008 9:16:59 AM
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I would agree earthless. I just dont see the need to totally discard a fantastic bible teacher on account of a couple "wacky" teachings that are vague at best. The creation account in the bible doesnt give a time frame anyway. Gods timing and the way he did things is gonna be somewhat of a mystery and taken on faith.
Are you talking about Murray or Meyers? Listen, I have done my part and you don't seem to care about their false teachings about Jesus, the Gospel, the atonement, faith, etc..
So it's not on me friend, enjoy your free-will.
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RE: PASTOR ARNOLD MURRAY - 11/18/2008 10:25:36 AM
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you're right earthless, you have done your part. I can definately see where you're coming from.
Now you mentioned false teachings about jesus,the gospel,the atonement,faith,etc. These are all areas where pastor murray really shines. Im glad you mentioned these things because they draw the distinction ive been trying to make all along. These are the really important issues.
they can hardly be compared to creation disputes, lineage disputes or disputes about the "scattering" of the ancient israelites and where they may have ended up.
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RE: PASTOR ARNOLD MURRAY - 11/18/2008 1:10:42 PM
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Kudos to you earthless.
Tom, I've heard enough of Murray on tv to realize that the man does nothing but lift himself up above any local congregation which according to Heb 10 is crucial to really be a part of God's church.
Tom, television is not helping you, nor are you helping anyone by being a hermit. Jesus said "go ye' and "take up the Cross and follow me".
Time is short my friend.
Again, kudos to Earthless.
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RE: PASTOR ARNOLD MURRAY - 11/18/2008 3:55:44 PM
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These are all areas where pastor murray really shines.
Yes, he shines like fake gold. False teacher that he is.
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RE: PASTOR ARNOLD MURRAY - 11/18/2008 6:50:56 PM
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ok now before we go handing out awards lets examine the issues here. Mostly what ive heard is claims of false teachings, but not the "kudos" in for the amount of true teaching from Gods word.
I dont see what part anyone alive today played in creation,lineages or migratory theories.
Now jesus, the gospel,atonement,faith..etc. as earthless put it are things that aer important for christians now and on a daily basis. I believe pastor murray does a great job in all these areas and christians are focusing to much on side-issues.
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RE: PASTOR ARNOLD MURRAY - 11/18/2008 9:31:33 PM
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I believe pastor murray does a great job in all these areas and christians are focusing to much on side-issues.
The facts show your belief is in error. But I digress, it is your choice to reject facts and embrace your feelings and beliefs. Just know that one's emotions and hearts are deceitful.
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RE: PASTOR ARNOLD MURRAY - 11/18/2008 9:59:49 PM
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The facts are right there on the screen for anyone to see. The focus of pastor murrays teachings are the weightier matters of the law;judgement,mercy and faith.
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RE: PASTOR ARNOLD MURRAY - 11/19/2008 11:04:40 AM
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earthless how can you possibly say i have ignored the facts? Ive tried very hard addressing all the issues people have a problem with. I admitted a couple of his teachings arent nearly as relevant for christians day-to-day lives.
Why does noone seem to appreciate pastor murrays unique teacjing style? Since he goes right along reading from the bible, ive never even seen any of his teaching people have a problem with as the object of the lesson. Quite the opposite really, it seems more that he teaches that they arent important if one trusts in God and repents.
Here is a fact, nothing in regard to human beings is perfect in this world at all. Not pastor murray and shepherds chapel, and let me save anyone the suspense who might think that there preacher or church is-they're not. Dont we all have to find a reasonable balance for ourselves, using discernment, of course.
Personally, im sold on the chapter-by-chapter verse-by-verse deeper bible study. Im surprised that this isnt more the norm or that there isnt more of a middle-ground. But doesnt the bible talk about feeding some milk and some meat? I listen to some other preachers on sunday, and if i had cable i would listen to alot more.
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RE: PASTOR ARNOLD MURRAY - 11/19/2008 11:07:12 AM
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earthless how can you possibly say i have ignored the facts? Ive tried very hard addressing all the issues people have a problem with. I admitted a couple of his teachings arent nearly as relevant for christians day-to-day lives.
Why does noone seem to appreciate pastor murrays unique teacjing style? Since he goes right along reading from the bible, ive never even seen any of his teaching people have a problem with as the object of the lesson. Quite the opposite really, it seems more that he teaches that they arent important if one trusts in God and repents.
Here is a fact, nothing in regard to human beings is perfect in this world at all. Not pastor murray and shepherds chapel, and let me save anyone the suspense who might think that there preacher or church is-they're not. Dont we all have to find a reasonable balance for ourselves, using discernment, of course.
Personally, im sold on the chapter-by-chapter verse-by-verse deeper bible study. Im surprised that this isnt more the norm or that there isnt more of a middle-ground. But doesnt the bible talk about feeding some milk and some meat? I listen to some other preachers on sunday, and if i had cable i would listen to alot more.
There are many preachers/pastors today that preach the Word, that are doctrinally sound. Arnold Murray is a false teacher and a false prophet.
He errs on the core essentials of Christianity and aligns himself with White Racist groups and Jewish Hating Groups.
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RE: PASTOR ARNOLD MURRAY - 11/20/2008 4:06:10 PM
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earthless i tried my best to correct these false claims, particularly the charges of racism.
If you really feel so strongly the burden is yours to provide proof
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RE: PASTOR ARNOLD MURRAY - 11/20/2008 4:09:18 PM
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Kudos to you earthless.
Tom, I've heard enough of Murray on tv to realize that the man does nothing but lift himself up above any local congregation which according to Heb 10 is crucial to really be a part of God's church.
Tom, television is not helping you, nor are you helping anyone by being a hermit. Jesus said "go ye' and "take up the Cross and follow me".
Time is short my friend.
Again, kudos to Earthless.
From my studies all i have ever heard was pastor murray give all the glory to God
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RE: PASTOR ARNOLD MURRAY - 11/20/2008 6:37:41 PM
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earthless i tried my best to correct these false claims, particularly the charges of racism.
If you really feel so strongly the burden is yours to provide proof
His associations with racist organizations is a fact and the proof is in the thread we have linked for your own study several times now.
His racist and hateful teachings on British Israelism and the Serpent Seed doctrine are also more than well documented.
What's that old adage? You can lead a horse to water.........
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RE: PASTOR ARNOLD MURRAY - 11/21/2008 9:38:42 AM
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I have read all the posts and not surprised by your resistance to the Truth and your allegiance to this pastor. The OP's responses to all the posts clearly indicate an "unhealthy" addiction to this pastor and meet all the criteria for cult identification. The OP's reluctance to embrace the local church and embrace this TV pastor is troubling, to say the least. I either missed it somewhere or the OP didn't comment about sending money to this pastor?
If the OP will step away from this TV pastor for a season and allow the Holy Spirit to reveal the Truth to him, he will be shocked at the reality. Our Christianity is undeniably based on a personal relationship with God the Father, Jesus Christ the Son and the Holy Spirit all together ONE and with us at the same time. Everything else in our Christian life is secondary including your pastor. If this unwavering personal relationship is established, you will not need a pastor to guide you in any direction but to the contrary, you will know immediately, who is delivering false information. You will definitely need to associate yourself with a body of believers, not on television, but in real life, day to day, Sunday to Sunday contact.
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RE: PASTOR ARNOLD MURRAY - 11/21/2008 11:22:20 AM
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Well, if Arnold was here he would call us all Kenites or "the enemy" anyway. That's one of the things about his teaching that appeals to some, he gives you an "out" to facing opposition by just declaring they are wrong. No reason, just wrong. Sounds logical to me.
I think we all really need to be praying for Tom, God's grace is the only thing that's going to get him out of this.
May God open your eyes so you can see Tom. God bless.
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RE: PASTOR ARNOLD MURRAY - 11/21/2008 11:28:15 AM
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I have read all the posts and not surprised by your resistance to the Truth and your allegiance to this pastor. The OP's responses to all the posts clearly indicate an "unhealthy" addiction to this pastor and meet all the criteria for cult identification. The OP's reluctance to embrace the local church and embrace this TV pastor is troubling, to say the least. I either missed it somewhere or the OP didn't comment about sending money to this pastor?
If the OP will step away from this TV pastor for a season and allow the Holy Spirit to reveal the Truth to him, he will be shocked at the reality. Our Christianity is undeniably based on a personal relationship with God the Father, Jesus Christ the Son and the Holy Spirit all together ONE and with us at the same time. Everything else in our Christian life is secondary including your pastor. If this unwavering personal relationship is established, you will not need a pastor to guide you in any direction but to the contrary, you will know immediately, who is delivering false information. You will definitely need to associate yourself with a body of believers, not on television, but in real life, day to day, Sunday to Sunday contact.
If Pastor Jones (Jim) says to drink the kool-aid, then you better drink the kool-aid. After all, there is nobody like Pastor Jones, and he is definitely God's chosen messenger. After putting trust in what Pastor Jones has to say, it's hard (impossible?) to listen to anyone else. 
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RE: PASTOR ARNOLD MURRAY - 11/21/2008 1:05:48 PM
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gee-wiz folks. I think you all are going a bit far with the cult thing. Let me assure you that im not a "worshiper" or follower of pastor murray. I do respect him for many reasons, but i definately do not idolize him. Mostly what i respect is his unique teaching style, and of course he is a good 'ol country boy like me. He reminds me of a more traditional type america where men were honorable and worthy of being looked to as role models.
pastor murray is clear that all the glory goes to God.
he advises to check him and anyone else out in Gods word
he also makes clear how wonderful it is that we live in such a great nation where we enjoy such religious freedom
Doba i wanted to address specifically your concerns about the need for a local church,fellowship and sich. Im not against this at all, but i am single and church situations seem to be centered around families.
thank you all for your concern, but i assure you im fine
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RE: PASTOR ARNOLD MURRAY - 11/21/2008 3:19:54 PM
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gee-wiz folks. I think you all are going a bit far with the cult thing. Let me assure you that im not a "worshiper" or follower of pastor murray. I do respect him for many reasons, but i definately do not idolize him. Mostly what i respect is his unique teaching style, and of course he is a good 'ol country boy like me. He reminds me of a more traditional type america where men were honorable and worthy of being looked to as role models.
Ok.
You want someone that was an amazing man of God?
A good 'ol country boy like you?
Who teaches the Word of God?
Who actually taught it and not a perversion of it like Murray?
Who will remind you of a more traditional type of America?
Then listen to some sermons from Dr. Adrian Rogers who passed away to be with the Lord just a few short years ago.
You're not fine in paying heed to a false teacher and false prophet. And on top of such serious things, Murray is a racist and a bigot. A hater of Jews and all those not like him.
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RE: PASTOR ARNOLD MURRAY - 11/21/2008 5:51:10 PM
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earthless you go to far. Racism and bigotry are serious accusations, and i have yet to see any proof.
I have,however, seen for myself pastor murray refute these accusations repeatedly.
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RE: PASTOR ARNOLD MURRAY - 11/21/2008 6:01:28 PM
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Post # 3 of this thread had a link to our last round robin about Arnold Murray. I linked it for you, did you ever even check it out?
HERE it is for you again.
And what have you checked out Dr. Adrian Rogers?
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RE: PASTOR ARNOLD MURRAY - 11/21/2008 6:31:12 PM
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im afraid you've misjudged me. You said that pastor murray is a racist and a bigot, and called him a hater of jews and all those not like him. Therfore, the burden to prove these things is on you as well. Other thread and links are not my responsibility.
i will check out adrian rogers sometime
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