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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/10/2008 10:32:16 PM
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LivingParadox
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If you are still searching for a biblical comparison for Obama. Saul was the first king of Israel, the people cried out for a king and God gave them a king that was considered tall and handsome in statue. He was anointed by the Prophet Samuel and if you'd like to know more about his story you can find it in the old testment books, Samuel, 1 Kings and all the way up to the time of David. It's a good read and maybe you can see the comparison.
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/10/2008 11:42:50 PM
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Not direct ancestors.
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It is only a type. As an ethnic group African it applies as a type of the Joseph. I'm only doing a Bible study using types. Try reading the story of Joseph as a start. Please don't beat me up too bad. I all ready said types are not exact. I don't think this type ius a streach at all. Try being open minded.
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/10/2008 11:46:42 PM
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chaplainwinston
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If you are still searching for a biblical comparison for Obama. Saul was the first king of Israel, the people cried out for a king and God gave them a king that was considered tall and handsome in statue. He was anointed by the Prophet Samuel and if you'd like to know more about his story you can find it in the old testment books, Samuel, 1 Kings and all the way up to the time of David. It's a good read and maybe you can see the comparison
Saul disobeyed God several times and lost his kingship to David. How does this compare to Joseph and Obama.
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/11/2008 12:23:26 AM
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We all have to deal with what? What are you talking about?
Read Romans 8 and also First John, chapter one. There are some who are children of God and some who are not. We are assured of our salvation. We don't have to wait for Judgment Day to find out.
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I was responding to a post that list gays, abortion, etc. We just have to deal with sin. Your right the unsaved will be judged the saved will not. There will be a new heaven and a new earth and Satan, the false prohet, the beast and all that follow them will be put into the Lake of Fire for eternity. We will be with Christ forever.
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/11/2008 8:56:19 AM
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Sure and I don't think this is a stretch. There are no pure ethinic groups in America. At one time if you had one sixteenth African you were considered African. Being African his father has ancestors that were slaves. That is why reperations won't work, even some white people could collect. Kenyan claims him as a first generation American and one of their own. They made November 5 a holiday in his honor. I'm humbled.
YET, Obama is half WHITE and refuses to acknowledge that part of his heritage by calling himself a black man.
In actuality, he is our first bi-racial president elect.
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/11/2008 9:08:47 AM
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I like to think we are one people in America, one nation under God. The rest of the world is under God also,
You're joking, right?
We are a nation that is OK with slaughtering babies in the womb.
We are a nation that is moving toward gay marriage. Surely an abomination according to God's word.
We are a nation that tells us we should embrace and "tolerate" all religions. NOT claim Jesus as the ONLY one.
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The rest of the world is under God also,
Whose God?
Eph 2:2 - Show Context
in which you "once walked" according to the course of this world, = under a god
according to the prince of the power of the air, (Satan) is..... the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, = in whom are commonly portrayed in the Bible as the being under the ruler of the world.
Joh 3:16
For God so loved the world .....that He gave His only begotten Son, that "whoever believes in Him"... should not perish but have everlasting life.
Satan knows his time is short,
The world is not under God until God returns,
What we see going on is purely human effort....
And human effort stands out like a sore thumb...
Eph 5:6 - Show Context
Let no one deceive you "with empty words", for because of "these things" empty words)...the wrath of God comes upon ....the sons of disobedience.
It doesn’t matter if you’re a president or a pauper.
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We are a nation that tells us we should embrace and "tolerate" all religions. NOT claim Jesus as the ONLY one.
On top of all the other issues Rose mentioned....chaplainwinston...
Would you not agree that blasphemy of the HS should put the icing the cake… for the god of the world?
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/11/2008 9:20:35 AM
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If you are still searching for a biblical comparison for Obama. Saul was the first king of Israel, the people cried out for a king and God gave them a king that was considered tall and handsome in statue. He was anointed by the Prophet Samuel and if you'd like to know more about his story you can find it in the old testment books, Samuel, 1 Kings and all the way up to the time of David. It's a good read and maybe you can see the comparison
Saul disobeyed God several times and lost his kingship to David. How does this compare to Joseph and Obama.
Greetings
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Saul disobeyed God several times and lost his kingship to David. How does this compare to Joseph and Obama.
In the first post I mentioned that Joseph ended up saving his own people but at this point we do not know whose people Obama considers his own.. the people of the world or the people of God?
The second compassion that we see between Joseph and Obama is that Joseph when elevated the highest position in Egypt... Joseph “did not” attempt to redefine Egypt
If the system was so corrupt that Obama needs to redefine it, and that is a picture we do not see in Joseph because Joseph was under Gods authority.
So this system was so corrupt that Obama needs to now redefine it …..he seems to forget that he elevated himself through that same system; and made history through that same system….
So what is there to redefine?
LG
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/11/2008 11:28:43 AM
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So this system was so corrupt that Obama needs to now redefine it …..he seems to forget that he elevated himself through that same system; and made history through that same system….
So what is there to redefine?
LG
What a great point!
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/11/2008 11:50:28 AM
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I'm sorry, I was trying to figure all you guys out, but now you're all starting to just sound like Yoda.
BINGO!!!!! LOL.
Obama is in no way comparative to biblical characters.
Obama is born in sin like the rest of us which excludes
him of being a saviour.
Joseph was a "type" and "shadow" of the real "Messiah."
Now it's a done deal.
The only One who will save us from ourselves will be the
same real "Messiah" when He returns again to set everything
back in order.
Obama is part of the problem, not the solution.
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/11/2008 12:04:38 PM
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So this system was so corrupt that Obama needs to now redefine it …..he seems to forget that he elevated himself through that same system; and made history through that same system….
So what is there to redefine?
LG
What a great point!
DITTO!!!!!!!!!!!!
Great analysis LG.
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/11/2008 12:11:03 PM
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Joseph was sold into slavery, rose to be governor of Egypt, and Pharaoh called him savior of the world because of his economic policies. With Obama it is generational as we are looking to him to save America with his economic policies. Joseph is not to be confused with Jesus Savior of the world, our souls.
And the left was incensed when many posters on this forum used the terms Messiah, The One, etc. And then we get an example of why these terms have been used.
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/11/2008 12:38:47 PM
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I would not put obama akin to joseph.
for one thing, when his 4 years in office is up, we can then compare him to someone.. but for now,, he has just begun,, we wont know.
I do know ONE thing that mentions obama in the bible... (as well as all of us).
God is the Potter ,, we are the clay, therefore obama most definitely is either a vessel for mercy or a vessel for wrath.
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/11/2008 1:18:12 PM
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It is only a type. As an ethnic group African it applies as a type of the Joseph
When speaking of "types' in scripture they ALWAYS point to Jesus Christ.
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/11/2008 1:58:42 PM
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Is Obama a type of Joseph
Barack Obama is a type of politician, nothing more.
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/11/2008 3:10:15 PM
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Joseph was sold into slavery, rose to be governor of Egypt, and Pharaoh called him savior of the world because of his economic policies. With Obama it is generational as we are looking to him to save America with his economic policies. Joseph is not to be confused with Jesus Savior of the world, our souls.
And the left was incensed when many posters on this forum used the terms Messiah, The One, etc. And then we get an example of why these terms have been used.
Greetings
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And then we get an example of why these terms have been used.
Don’t worry about it!
Their messiah is called such by their disciples, therefore by the same rule in the word of God;
therefore in like manner ....God Himself is going to bind the messiah to perform it!!
Check this out!!
John 8:
42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me.
43 Why do you not understand My speech?
“Because”…….. you are not able to listen (HEAR) to My word. (Which means they have no prophetic “recollection”) or in other words that can not see the end from the beginning.
That is because Jesus said….
44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do.
He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, (LIAR) because there is no truth in him.
…….When he speaks a lie, he speaks “from his own”… “Resources” = no revelation, for he is a liar and the father of it.
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And then we get an example of why these terms have been used.
It oblivious Chaplainwinston is stretching that revelation even further that I would…LOL!!
Because….
Chaplainwinston seems to have left out of “the most important equation”…and that is Joe received “a revelation”…. waaaay back… when he was a kid
… That the sun and the moon and the stars… would bow down to him,
Let’s work the “end from the beginning” and… see were we end up….and see if we hear Jesus voice as mention in v43 above
The prophecy in Joes dream said … That the sun and the moon and the stars… would bow down to “him”….and made absolutely “no mention of an economy” in that dream
And that very is important..
...........Because in Joes dream it revealed exactly as to whom the sun and the moon and the stars “would bow down to”…. ....and Pharaoh as depicted in the scriptures is a type and shadow of Satan and the world was not revealed in the equation in Joes dream. 
So now we have 2 different dreams…..because God also gave “a dream” to Pharaoh… for Joe to interpret it…. so that the revelation Joe received when he was a kid that was not seen …would come to pass!!
…. So if Pharaoh received a revelation from God… let it be known that 10 times out of 10 that means God was going to cause it
….the 7 years of plenty and the 7 years of famine… which is not seen is seen in principal as… “equal proportions” ...which is also seen in Rev 13:7-10 ...emp v10
as the revelation came to pass that Joe received when he was younger…saying, “that the sun and the moon and the stars… would bow down “to him”… and when it came to pass that alone verified that is from God….
But the kicker is  …..because it came to pass.
....It ended up being for the “preservation”… of “Israel” 
AND…We shall see… where Obama stands on that one!!…..
Truthfully...
I think you may be misinterpreting that Jesus is coming in like manner by the economy for the preservation of Israel, that’s a twist if I ever heard of one.
Muslims believe that al-Mahdi not the Joseph will arrive first = the economy… and the only one in the scripture who will do that is the AC… for the “destruction” of Israel.
God doesn't need our money to wage war... He already promised to come personally and to do it for free on those who come against Israel!! 
There is a consequence written thereof should this new admin not play by Gods rules of preservation…
Especially if the is the economy is poised to do the opposite and raise funds for war… to condemn Israel 
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/11/2008 4:18:54 PM
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If you'll read Scripture, in Genesis, God gives the earth to man. Later, in the Garden Of Eden, man gives the earth to Satan through his sin. Satan will rule the earth until Christ returns. Therefore, we are not "under God" yet.
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Sinners and saints, the saved and the unsaved are all under God. We are all waiting for judgment day. That is when God's judgment is met. In the mean time we have to deal with it.
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The light of God surrounds me,
The love of God enfolds me,
The power of God protects me,
The presence of God watches over me.
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/11/2008 5:38:45 PM
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I don't understand why you can't see any similarites at all between Obama and Joseph. I never said he was exactly like him. And I don't know why you don't think as an ethnic group we rose from slavery in America to the highest office in America like Joseph.
As far as types are concerned Peter responded to Jesus question, "Who do you say I am?" Peter said you are the Son of God. Jesus then said, "Upon this rock I will build my Church." We are to be like or a type of Peter and recieve the revelation that Jesus is the son of God in order to be saved. Types don't always have to be Jesus like although we become Christ like.
Joseph was a Hebrew. He became a Hebrew-Egyptian on the continent of Africa. He had two sons that we know of. He married an Egyptian Priest daughter. His sons may have married Egyptian women. Their blood line may have passed down to the Africans who were part of the slave trade to America.
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/11/2008 5:52:32 PM
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I think your comparison is very strange, to say the least. They are nothing alike. Joseph was a person from the Old Testament who saved his people. Barack Obama mocked the Old Testament (and part of the New Testament). I would not give him the respect one would deserve for such a comparison simply based on the fact that he mocked Scripture.
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/11/2008 6:03:09 PM
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think your comparison is very strange, to say the least. They are nothing alike. Joseph was a person from the Old Testament who saved his people. Barack Obama mocked the Old Testament (and part of the New Testament). I would not give him the respect one would deserve for such a comparison simply based on the fact that he mocked Scripture.
What about the thief on the cross? Obama is not dead yet. A lot of Christians (maybe they are not) do not believe all of Scripture. We many denominations and Catthlics that don't agree on Scripture. But in many ways they are Christ like, Peter like, Paul like, Job like, Joseph like, etc. Just being sold into slavery makes you Joseph like with hope of freedom and having an abundant, sucessfull life. Even having a political life.
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/11/2008 6:07:41 PM
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think your comparison is very strange, to say the least. They are nothing alike. Joseph was a person from the Old Testament who saved his people. Barack Obama mocked the Old Testament (and part of the New Testament). I would not give him the respect one would deserve for such a comparison simply based on the fact that he mocked Scripture.
What about the thief on the cross? Obama is not dead yet. A lot of Christians (maybe they are not) do not believe all of Scripture. We many denominations and Catthlics that don't agree on Scripture. But in many ways they are Christ like, Peter like, Paul like, Job like, Joseph like, etc. Just being sold into slavery makes you Joseph like with hope of freedom and having an abundant, sucessfull life. Even having a political life.
Obama was never sold into slavery. In fact, AFAIK, he's not a descendant of slaves. His father was from Kenya, and his mother is white.
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/11/2008 6:19:15 PM
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think your comparison is very strange, to say the least. They are nothing alike. Joseph was a person from the Old Testament who saved his people. Barack Obama mocked the Old Testament (and part of the New Testament). I would not give him the respect one would deserve for such a comparison simply based on the fact that he mocked Scripture.
What about the thief on the cross? Obama is not dead yet. A lot of Christians (maybe they are not) do not believe all of Scripture. We many denominations and Catthlics that don't agree on Scripture. But in many ways they are Christ like, Peter like, Paul like, Job like, Joseph like, etc. Just being sold into slavery makes you Joseph like with hope of freedom and having an abundant, sucessfull life. Even having a political life.
Obama has never been sold into slavery. And even if the men from the Bible you have mentioned had some weaknesses, like Peter for example, they had a pure heart for God. I cannot judge where Barack Obama's heart is but he mocked the Word of God so I definitely question where his heart is.
As far as Christians not believing Scripture, how can one be a Christian, truly, and not believe Scripture?
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/11/2008 6:21:04 PM
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think your comparison is very strange, to say the least. They are nothing alike. Joseph was a person from the Old Testament who saved his people. Barack Obama mocked the Old Testament (and part of the New Testament). I would not give him the respect one would deserve for such a comparison simply based on the fact that he mocked Scripture.
What about the thief on the cross? Obama is not dead yet. A lot of Christians (maybe they are not) do not believe all of Scripture. We many denominations and Catthlics that don't agree on Scripture. But in many ways they are Christ like, Peter like, Paul like, Job like, Joseph like, etc. Just being sold into slavery makes you Joseph like with hope of freedom and having an abundant, sucessfull life. Even having a political life.
I don't think the thief on the cross would be worthy of a comparison to Joseph, either. He would be like us, a sinner who had repented. And Obama may one day repent and then he'll be a sinner who had repented.
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