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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/18/2008 6:21:43 PM
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….you are comparing American slaves as still being in captivity in America with Israel’s captivity in Egypt and America as a type of sin… very Islamic …Great Satan!!
.... based on 1 reason ...that has nothing to with Israel or Joseph
…..because you can not find one instance in the scriptures where Joseph did not forgive his captures and even his brothers who sold him into slavery...because Joseph worships’ ...the God of his fathers… who are Abraham Isaac and Jacob> his father.
You keep raising the slavery issue for the mere reason that by suggesting it in reflection to the multiplication of the black mindset... by that same manipulation as being slaves in captivity in America… is as Israel was in Egypt
…. that radical concept comes from the black church mixed with the Islamic heresies and is that when that motif is spoken… it raises vengeance… not forgiveness,
Black people have forgiven America for slavery (at leat many of us). We ended up and have contributed to the greatest country in the world today. If you say slavery is not sin you are gravely mistaken. Blacks have experienced the worst slavery that any people inculing the Hebrew people. Families separated, breeding, rape, language taken away, no links of our leneage to Africa, etc. You can see the damge that was done to us that we have not recovered from. We are a different ethnic group than even Africans. I am Christian and don't consider myself Islamic at all. Scripture teaches forgiveness. To say we don't forgive is absurd.
Slavery in America was worse that slavery in Egypt. But slavery is slavery. For you to deny it shows your lack of repentance. We know that vengence is of the Lord, but he has shown us some vendication by raising up Obama. Many people around the world are pleased about this. Even Russia believes they can have a better relationship with America because of Obama! Instead of America being lead by oppressors it is being lead by one of the oppressed. And "Yes we can" doesn't mean just Black people. It means all Americans who have been unfairly treated and taken advantage of. Is it a coincidence that the price of oil dropped so dramaticaly? I predict good things to come.
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/18/2008 6:30:53 PM
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Maybe you misunderstood Obama's bio. His people (the black ones) came from Kenya and were never slaves in America... If anything at all, his people (the black ones) escorted the slaves aboard the ships to America and remained safe and free in Kenya.
Therefore there were slaves from not only from Kenya but other parts of Africa. I don't understand why so many of you are either ignorant or deny the history of African Slavery. And deny that Africans are one ethnic group. We all have been affected by slavery and domination by other ethnic groups. Slavery is evil and sin whoever participates.
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/18/2008 6:44:28 PM
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chaplainwinston,
I can see that you are very genuine in your beliefs, although I believe you are way off course on some of the things you have said which I have already commented on.
I agree that the African people who were enslaved and brought to the Americas (not just the USA) suffered the worst that slavery could offer and for that I certainly regret. I appreciate your sentiment that "Yes we can" is inclusive of all Americans no matter the race or color of our skin. From that statement I take it that you also acknowledge that the Great War which ended slavery in this country was fought by white Americans against other white Americans. Often times, as was the case in my family, it was even brother against brother. The Civil Rights movement of the 50s and 60s could never have achieved the success it had without the unconditional support of many, many white Christians who could no longer stomach the treatment given to fellow human beings and brothers and sisters in Christ simply because of the color of their skin. Based on all of that, your statement calling Obama's election some kind of "vindication" is insulting to me. Tell me, exactly what is it that Obama's election has vidicated?
All ot that being said, I respectfully suggest you are investing a great deal in Mr. Obama. Many of his supporters have labeled him "The One", "Messiah", "A Gift from God" - and now you compare him to Joseph! Please, please wake up! The man is a POLITICIAN. Yes, of course, it was God's providence that he was elected - but as was pointed out God's providence includes scoundrels as well as heros. Obama is a smooth talking, slick politician who must now deliver on some pretty ambitious promises. He is already backing away from many of his promises citing the economy as the current excuse. Out of curiosity, did Joseph do that?
I suspect you are in for a big let-down. No one, short of Jesus Christ Himself, could deliver on even half of Obama's promises and the expectations of adoring followers such as yourself. Your faith belongs with the true Messiah, Jesus Christ - not this false messiah, Obama.
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/18/2008 6:48:19 PM
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Stalin killed 20 to 40 million people. Obama is not guilty of that. Americans killed millions of Africans during the slave trade. They were more like Joseph Stalin.
Bill Ayers & Friends: Kill 25 MILLION Americans
Bill Ayers was an American terriost, and he is repentant and now does good public service. He is a public service. 25 million Americans have not been killed. The twin towers killed about 4,000. Bush got us into a war that killed over 4,000 American and many more thousands of Injured. Millions of Iraq people have been displaced. Many more Iraq citizens have been killed than Americans. The media has not given a total count like Americans. Bush did not even go after the right enemy, Ben Ladin! We are in war because he is a liar. And what does that have to do with Obama. Even Mccain had relations with Ayers and supported the Palestines to the tune of over 400,000. A lot of Americans work with Ayers.
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/18/2008 6:53:50 PM
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Bill Ayers was an American terriost, and he is repentant and now does good public service.
Now hold on there. I don't think you really know Mr. Ayers. In an interview after 9/11 he said he wished he had planted a bigger bomb at the Pentagon. How in the world do you call that repentant?
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/18/2008 6:56:01 PM
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Stalin killed 20 to 40 million people. Obama is not guilty of that. Americans killed millions of Africans during the slave trade. They were more like Joseph Stalin.
Bill Ayers & Friends: Kill 25 MILLION Americans
Bill Ayers was an American terriost, and he is repentant and now does good public service. He is a public service. 25 million Americans have not been killed. The twin towers killed about 4,000. Bush got us into a war that killed over 4,000 American and many more thousands of Injured. Millions of Iraq people have been displaced. Many more Iraq citizens have been killed than Americans. The media has not given a total count like Americans. Bush did not even go after the right enemy, Ben Ladin! We are in war because he is a liar. And what does that have to do with Obama. Even Mccain had relations with Ayers and supported the Palestines to the tune of over 400,000. A lot of Americans work with Ayers.
He is not repentant. He said on 9/11 that he wished they could have done more than they did. He just changed his subversive tactics by becoming a college professor.
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/18/2008 7:22:58 PM
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agree that the African people who were enslaved and brought to the Americas (not just the USA) suffered the worst that slavery could offer and for that I certainly regret. I appreciate your sentiment that "Yes we can" is inclusive of all Americans no matter the race or color of our skin. From that statement I take it that you also acknowledge that the Great War which ended slavery in this country was fought by white Americans against other white Americans. Often times, as was the case in my family, it was even brother against brother. The Civil Rights movement of the 50s and 60s could never have achieved the success it had without the unconditional support of many, many white Christians who could no longer stomach the treatment given to fellow human beings and brothers and sisters in Christ simply because of the color of their skin. Based on all of that, your statement calling Obama's election some kind of "vindication" is insulting to me. Tell me, exactly what is it that Obama's election has vidicated?
Black people were considered not human in slave days, lesser beingis like women according to Darwin. The government would not pass laws against linchings. The Jim Crow laws held us back. But through Christ Jesus we over came all of that and we have been vindicated.
: an act of vindicating : the state of being vindicated; specifically : justification against denial or censure : DEFENSE
I beleive in the Church. The White Church did come together with us during the civil rights movement. But they also justified Slavery during those days as well. Many racist people claim to be Christian. I acknowledge what was acomplished by the civil war and the victory that was accomplished and by whom. It also included Black people as well.
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/18/2008 7:36:52 PM
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He is not repentant. He said on 9/11 that he wished they could have done more than they did. He just changed his subversive tactics by becoming a college professor.
Is that not an act of repentance? Are you saying he is raising anti-Americans? Or is he doing good works? Bush bombed Iraq and the rest of the world hates America. He has wasted about a trillion of our tax payers money and Mccain wanted to waste even more. Between Vietnam and Iraq we have not had good leaders, both are failures. Obama wants to bring our troups home and invest that 12 billion a month spent on the war on the infrustrure of America. Lie Joseph's interest was in Egypt, so is Obama's. With Joseph's economic plan Pharaoh owned all of Egypt. Under Bush much of America has been sold to forien investors and jobs have been outsourced to other countries. Obama wants to reverse that trend. Perhaps we can own America again.
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/18/2008 7:43:11 PM
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….you are comparing American slaves as still being in captivity in America with Israel’s captivity in Egypt and America as a type of sin… very Islamic …Great Satan!!
.... based on 1 reason ...that has nothing to with Israel or Joseph
…..because you can not find one instance in the scriptures where Joseph did not forgive his captures and even his brothers who sold him into slavery...because Joseph worships’ ...the God of his fathers… who are Abraham Isaac and Jacob> his father.
You keep raising the slavery issue for the mere reason that by suggesting it in reflection to the multiplication of the black mindset... by that same manipulation as being slaves in captivity in America… is as Israel was in Egypt
…. that radical concept comes from the black church mixed with the Islamic heresies and is that when that motif is spoken… it raises vengeance… not forgiveness,
Black people have forgiven America for slavery (at leat many of us). We ended up and have contributed to the greatest country in the world today. If you say slavery is not sin you are gravely mistaken. Blacks have experienced the worst slavery that any people inculing the Hebrew people. Families separated, breeding, rape, language taken away, no links of our leneage to Africa, etc. You can see the damge that was done to us that we have not recovered from. We are a different ethnic group than even Africans. I am Christian and don't consider myself Islamic at all. Scripture teaches forgiveness. To say we don't forgive is absurd.
Slavery in America was worse that slavery in Egypt. But slavery is slavery. For you to deny it shows your lack of repentance. We know that vengence is of the Lord, but he has shown us some vendication by raising up Obama. Many people around the world are pleased about this. Even Russia believes they can have a better relationship with America because of Obama! Instead of America being lead by oppressors it is being lead by one of the oppressed. And "Yes we can" doesn't mean just Black people. It means all Americans who have been unfairly treated and taken advantage of. Is it a coincidence that the price of oil dropped so dramaticaly? I predict good things to come.
Um, the price of oil dropped shortly BEFORE the election for, in my opinion, two reasons. Americans stopped using as much gas, rode bikes to work, car pooled, just didn't drive as much. The second reason is because the Arabs strongly supported Obama and since he is against drilling or finding any alternative quickly, Americans were not liking his solutions too much. Suddenly, production went up and gas prices went down. His wish was their command.
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/18/2008 7:49:23 PM
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He is not repentant. He said on 9/11 that he wished they could have done more than they did. He just changed his subversive tactics by becoming a college professor.
Is that not an act of repentance? Are you saying he is raising anti-Americans? Or is he doing good works? Bush bombed Iraq and the rest of the world hates America. He has wasted about a trillion of our tax payers money and Mccain wanted to waste even more. Between Vietnam and Iraq we have not had good leaders, both are failures. Obama wants to bring our troups home and invest that 12 billion a month spent on the war on the infrustrure of America. Lie Joseph's interest was in Egypt, so is Obama's. With Joseph's economic plan Pharaoh owned all of Egypt. Under Bush much of America has been sold to forien investors and jobs have been outsourced to other countries. Obama wants to reverse that trend. Perhaps we can own America again.
Subversive: intended or intending to weaken or overthrow a government or an institution
As far as the Iraq war, there was this thing called a cease fire agreement that Saddam signed to save his sorry hide after the Gulf War. He did not abide by the terms and was given I believe 17 opportunities by the UN to abide or suffer the consequences. Don't buy all of the propaganda that the media has fed you. The war in Iraq was approved by congress and the UN.
Reagan was a great POTUS.
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Even as he walks along the road, the fool lacks sense and shows everyone how stupid he is. ~ Ecc. 10:2-3
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/18/2008 7:52:08 PM
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We know that vengence is of the Lord, but he has shown us some vendication by raising up Obama.
Vindication regarding what? Obama is an unjust man regardless of color... If he's the model man of color I'd ask for a refund...
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Is it a coincidence that the price of oil dropped so dramaticaly?
It was almost 5 bucks a gallon... People stopped buying to the point that not only did they have oil reserves, but gasoline as well... Local refinery had all the gasoline it could hold and nowhere to send it...
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Proverbs 12:10 A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel.
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/18/2008 7:52:34 PM
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Maybe you misunderstood Obama's bio. His people (the black ones) came from Kenya and were never slaves in America... If anything at all, his people (the black ones) escorted the slaves aboard the ships to America and remained safe and free in Kenya.
Therefore there were slaves from not only from Kenya but other parts of Africa. I don't understand why so many of you are either ignorant or deny the history of African Slavery. And deny that Africans are one ethnic group. We all have been affected by slavery and domination by other ethnic groups. Slavery is evil and sin whoever participates.
Then why don't African Americans show any resentment to their African ancestors who captured their own people and loaded them onto the ships bound for America? Why can't they forgive Americans who weren't even born yet when that happened?
I'm not saying there was no guilt on this side of the pond but I think Americans have worked hard over the last 40 yrs. to end the predjudice for once and for all. And yet it still feels like African Americans will never trust white people. Even Obama wrote in one of his books that he doesn't feel he can trust a white person.
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/18/2008 8:05:05 PM
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He is not repentant. He said on 9/11 that he wished they could have done more than they did. He just changed his subversive tactics by becoming a college professor.
Is that not an act of repentance? Are you saying he is raising anti-Americans? Or is he doing good works? Bush bombed Iraq and the rest of the world hates America. He has wasted about a trillion of our tax payers money and Mccain wanted to waste even more. Between Vietnam and Iraq we have not had good leaders, both are failures. Obama wants to bring our troups home and invest that 12 billion a month spent on the war on the infrustrure of America. Lie Joseph's interest was in Egypt, so is Obama's. With Joseph's economic plan Pharaoh owned all of Egypt. Under Bush much of America has been sold to forien investors and jobs have been outsourced to other countries. Obama wants to reverse that trend. Perhaps we can own America again.
Repentance is saying you're sorry. Bill Ayers is not sorry. He shouldn't be allowed to teach and he shouldn't be allowed to vote. He is a terrorist and a murderer. Being a Communist, I'm sure that he is raising anti-Americans.
So what if the rest of the world hates America? I don't care. We are the most generous country on earth. We failed in Viet Nam because the war was run by politicians instead of the military and because of people like Jane Fonda and all of her Communist friends back home stirring up college kids and middle aged hippies. We have all but won the war in Iraq and just like after WWII when we stayed in Germany and built it back up we will help the Iraqi's rebuild their country. Shame on you for wanting to take the money back now when they need our help to stay on their feet.
You're talking about Joseph as if he had a choice in being interested in any place other than Egypt. Good grief! Obama cares about Obama. He will say and do whatever he needs to say or do to continue to be Mr. Wonderful. People said they hated the war and he said he'll end it. If they didn't complain about it he'd stay there. He is just a slick politician. Bush wasn't slick and that is why everyone thought he was dumb. How shallow. 
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/18/2008 8:26:47 PM
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I suspect you are in for a big let-down. No one, short of Jesus Christ Himself, could deliver on even half of Obama's promises and the expectations of adoring followers such as yourself. Your faith belongs with the true Messiah, Jesus Christ - not this false messiah, Obama.
He never said he could deliever all of his promises but he will try. He offers hope to America which we have seemed to have lost. He promises change that is why he got elected. Black people have been let down many times before but we have made great strides. Perhaps Obama will also as President. He is not Jesus and God throughout history has been part of our sucesses and failures. He has let both good and evil coexist since the fall of Adam and Eve. Jesus is the only perfect man. He is 100% man and 100% God. That makes a world of difference.Jesus was not a political leader, he left that for mankind. Remember all things work together for good for those who are called according to his purpose.
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/18/2008 8:29:51 PM
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Um, the price of oil dropped shortly BEFORE the election for, in my opinion, two reasons. Americans stopped using as much gas, rode bikes to work, car pooled, just didn't drive as much. The second reason is because the Arabs strongly supported Obama and since he is against drilling or finding any alternative quickly, Americans were not liking his solutions too much. Suddenly, production went up and gas prices went down. His wish was their command.
Production has not gone up it has been consistent. Obama is not big corporations like Bush he is for the middle class.
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/18/2008 8:39:33 PM
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Um, the price of oil dropped shortly BEFORE the election for, in my opinion, two reasons. Americans stopped using as much gas, rode bikes to work, car pooled, just didn't drive as much. The second reason is because the Arabs strongly supported Obama and since he is against drilling or finding any alternative quickly, Americans were not liking his solutions too much. Suddenly, production went up and gas prices went down. His wish was their command.
Production has not gone up it has been consistent. Obama is not big corporations like Bush he is for the middle class.
I don't believe that prices went down simply because the people stopped using gas. It was just too timely. It happened just as there was hype by John McCain over Obama's lack of interest in drilling, coal or nuclear power and gas prices were way out of control. The American people were not happy. There were a lot of people outside the U.S. who wanted Obama to win.
And if production didn't increase how are prices staying stable now that people are driving more and we in the midwest, north and northeast are using gas heat?
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/18/2008 8:45:11 PM
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Shame on you for wanting to take the money back now when they need our help to stay on their feet.
You're talking about Joseph as if he had a choice in being interested in any place other than Egypt. Good grief! Obama cares about Obama. He will say and do whatever he needs to say or do to continue to be Mr. Wonderful. People said they hated the war and he said he'll end it. If they didn't complain about it he'd stay there. He is
Bush by lying knocked them off thier feet. So now you think we should support them forever? They are not making political strides to get on thier feet, they get billions a month from you and me! We are now to stay until 2011. That was Bush's doing. And they have control of how our troops are used there. 80% of Americans want us to leave. This makes it more complicated for Obama to withdraw troops from Iraq.
Joseph had no choice, God wanted him there. Everyone who came to America was an imigrant, they had no choice for what ever reason or purpose they hoped to accomplish.
What is wrong with politicans trying to fulfill the will of the people?
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/18/2008 8:58:49 PM
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Then why don't African Americans show any resentment to their African ancestors who captured their own people and loaded them onto the ships bound for America? Why can't they forgive Americans who weren't even born yet when that happened?
I'm not saying there was no guilt on this side of the pond but I think Americans have worked hard over the last 40 yrs. to end the predjudice for once and for all. And yet it still feels like African Americans will never trust white people. Even Obama wrote in one of his books that he doesn't feel he can trust a white person.
Oh, there is some resentment and forgiveness. Have you seen any videos about hatred towards Blacks during the civil rights movement? That generation is still alive. There are hundreds of years of abuse by White people against many ethnic groups. Afirmative action was reversed in the last few years claiming reverse discrimination. There are very few Blacks now in our colleges and universities. In the last few years White women were considered minorities and took advantage of aqfirmative action. Since Obama was elected more White people are joining the Klu Klux Clan over the internet saying America made a mistake. Hate groups are forming.
The same number of Whites voted for Obama as Clinton.
It takes a lot of evidence to be trusted completly.
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/18/2008 9:17:29 PM
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I don't believe that prices went down simply because the people stopped using gas. It was just too timely. It happened just as there was hype by John McCain over Obama's lack of interest in drilling, coal or nuclear power and gas prices were way out of control. The American people were not happy. There were a lot of people outside the U.S. who wanted Obama to win.
And if production didn't increase how are prices staying stable now that people are driving more and we in the midwest, north and northeast are using gas heat?
Have you ever heard the phrase, "We've been ripped of again!" Look at the home mortage crisses with ballon payments, mortaqges increasing by 2 or 3 thousand dollars a month, people did not have to qualify. Same thing, except companies hurt themselves this time as well a foriegn investors causing world wide recessions. Obama has inherited all these problems. if you think he will be able to solve all these problems in four to eight years you are decieving yourselves. It took eight years to cause all this mess plus put us a trillion dollars in debt. After Clinton there was a budget surplus. Bush borrowed billions from communist China! Remember when communist were considered Satan? Now most of our goods are made in China. To call Obama a Marxist or Socialist pails in comparison and is untrue. BLT takes some points from Marxism but does not follow it.
The government bailouts make them part owner of corporations. What is next, mandating corporate policy? Corporations have to spend a lot of money on perks and on clients as part of doing business. You have to sell yourself. It is like spending billions on advertizing. It works! Do you think that Bush's faith based money to Churches did not come with any strings attached? Bushes no child left behind has increased the dropout rate in high Schools even W#hite people are not graduating. I heard on PBS yeas ago that they want to have quality jobs for quality people not quantity. This was during his administration. We need change. America knows that.
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/18/2008 9:43:26 PM
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I think it is because whites could except a mixed race man, but, not a plain black man. Jesse, Lord forgive me, is to one sided also not playing both sides of the fence. Obama, has that one down. Maybe because Obama can, being he bi-racial.
When Africans or Blacks bare children with Whites they have always been considered colored, negro, Black and now African-American. Even when they had one sixteenth Black.
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/18/2008 9:46:25 PM
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Subversive: intended or intending to weaken or overthrow a government or an institution
As far as the Iraq war, there was this thing called a cease fire agreement that Saddam signed to save his sorry hide after the Gulf War. He did not abide by the terms and was given I believe 17 opportunities by the UN to abide or suffer the consequences. Don't buy all of the propaganda that the media has fed you. The war in Iraq was approved by congress and the UN.
I guess Americans are subversive. They overthrew England. In fact in the Declaration of Indepence says we have a right to under certain circumstances.
The war in Iraq was Republican majority approved. Hillary approved. Obama did not. Perhaps they should have listened to him. A lot of Iraq people and Americans would be alive today. Iraq posed no iminent threat to America. Now Alqueda (.sp) has been mobolized and has grown. There is now a threat of another attack. You think Iraq will forget?
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/18/2008 9:52:45 PM
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I guess Americans are subversive. They overthrew England.
Queen Elizabeth will be really surprised when she gets the news!
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/18/2008 9:54:09 PM
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Guess who is getting appointed to high ranking Obama administration jobs? - Clinton officials... not to mention Sec Def - William Gates - do you know who he is? He is the current Sec Def under George W Bush.
Change??? Yeah right! You been had brother.
He always talked of Bi-partynism. He is still in charge. He is not employing a bunch of yes men. He wants to hear all points of views. People learn from their mistakes.
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