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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/19/2008 9:48:39 PM
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chaplainwinston
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Please, stop inferring that 0bama is like the great men of the Bible. He hasn't actually done anything yet to earn that kind of adulation.
You have the right to your opinion. I beleive he is a Christian. Christians are like saved people in the Bible. The people in the Bible, their characteristic, their attitude, their love of God, their behavior, we are supposed to emulate or be like. We have the Holy Spirit in us to lead and guide us. People compare people to other people all the time. He has helped the poor and down troden. Jesus said when you have done it unto the least of these you have done it unto me. He lif3e did not begin or will not begin when he becomes President. He like other Christians have done many good works.
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. 24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
James 2:17-25 (KJV)
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/19/2008 9:55:36 PM
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He will have to do more than he has done in the past to even be considered a good leader much less being compared to the great men of the Bible.
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/19/2008 10:25:34 PM
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31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God. 32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God: 33 Even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved.
1 Cor 10:31-33 (KJV)
Is Obama not only Joseph like but Paul like not offending the unsaved homosexuals? He is a Christian perhaps some may be saved as well as Jews and other gentiles. He does support Israel.
This verse works really good for the unjust Mr. Obama....
Proverbs 17:15 He that justifieth the wicked(homosexual), and he that condemneth the just(unborn child), even they both are abomination to the Lord.
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/19/2008 10:26:14 PM
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Hi,
I am chaplainwinston's friend. asl_39, f, N. California, bay area.
I think Obama is like Joseph to the extent that he is a small guy who rose to the top of the establishment to do good when things are going bad. It is yet to be seen, but judging from his previous ideals I think he is okay, okay to compare him with Joseph. No. Not perfect. Yes. You can say that for any leader. It’s a general assertion. Consider, all the previous leaders in America were not black. The history of Egypt is fundamental to Africans, their cultures, rites, creed, history, etc. That’s a comparison. Was Barack ever a slave like me. I mean of course my ancestors? No. But, he definitely identifies with the black experience as no other past presidents have. It is debatable that past White presidents have not. Mammies, nannies in the South who cared for Whites had a profound influence. The point is Barack Obama is a level-headed, down-earth-guy, who made it. Black or White he is good for America is our dire needs as Joseph was to Egypt. No, not part of the establishment but now is one of the best leaders we have that will get America back on track.
Peace & Blessings,
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PS I agree with most of the responses. I also agree that leaders have things in common, and even the ones in times of Egypt and after(and before???) have some things in common. No harm, No foul. Peace.
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/19/2008 10:28:02 PM
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You have the right to your opinion. I beleive he is a Christian. Christians are like saved people in the Bible. The people in the Bible, their characteristic, their attitude, their love of God, their behavior, we are supposed to emulate or be like. We have the Holy Spirit in us to lead and guide us. People compare people to other people all the time. He has helped the poor and down troden. Jesus said when you have done it unto the least of these you have done it unto me. He lif3e did not begin or will not begin when he becomes President. He like other Christians have done many good works.
The man condemns the just and justifies the wicked... He's an unjust ruler..
What he has done to the least would have a millstone placed upon his neck and drowned in the sea...
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Proverbs 12:10 A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel.
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/19/2008 11:20:11 PM
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I think Barack Obama is a good person. See ya! My friend wants me to leave. He just doesn't get it. But please use kid gloves on him. Maybe he will see something.
God is good all the time. I am a Christian. Black or White, as long as your are a good person, I got yo back. Until we meet again...
qwebster ;)
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/20/2008 1:46:56 AM
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The man condemns the just and justifies the wicked... He's an unjust ruler..
Give me examples of both.
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/20/2008 2:37:28 AM
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The man condemns the just and justifies the wicked... He's an unjust ruler..
Give me examples of both.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Social/Barack_Obama_Abortion.htm
Supports Roe v. Wade
Abortions should be legally available in accordance with Roe v. Wade.
Source: 1998 IL State Legislative National Political Awareness Test Jul 2, 1998
http://www.ontheissues.org/Domestic/Barack_Obama_Civil_Rights.htm#Gay_Rights
Homosexuality no more immoral than heterosexuality
A reporter asked Obama, "What do you think about General Pace's comments that homosexuality is immoral?" Obama said, "I think traditionally the Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman has restricted his public comments to military matters. That's a good tradition to follow. I think the question here is whether somebody is willing to sacrifice for their country, should they be able to? If they are doing all the things that are needed to be done."
Obama later said, "I don't think homosexuals are immoral any more than I think heterosexuals are immoral." Obama has taken a forthright stand calling for the end of the "don't ask, don't tell" policy. He said, "It is time to review the 'don't ask, don't tell' policy and do what is in the best interests of our national security. At time when the services are having a tough time recruiting and training troops, it seems foolish to kick out good soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines who want to serve."
Source: The Improbable Quest, by John K. Wilson, p.115 Oct 30, 2007
Scan the web site... There are more... Enjoy...
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Proverbs 12:10 A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel.
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/20/2008 3:57:38 AM
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You have the right to your opinion. I beleive he is a Christian. Christians are like saved people in the Bible.
I will not pass judgement on this man but i suggest you read his own words about Jesus being a "historical figure" Read here
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The people in the Bible, their characteristic, their attitude, their love of God, their behavior, we are supposed to emulate or be like. We have the Holy Spirit in us to lead and guide us. People compare people to other people all the time. He has helped the poor and down troden. Jesus said when you have done it unto the least of these you have done it unto me. He lif3e did not begin or will not begin when he becomes President. He like other Christians have done many good works.
What has barrack done for the poor and down trodden? Please give me some specifics.
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/20/2008 4:04:48 AM
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What has barrack done for the poor and down trodden? Please give me some specifics.
What about his community organizing in Chicago?
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/20/2008 4:14:11 AM
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What has barrack done for the poor and down trodden? Please give me some specifics.
What about his community organizing in Chicago?
What did he do while organizing? Sure he went for photo ops at soup kitchens a couple times but from what i can garner he mostly encouraged them to vote, vote for the same people that keep them enslaved to a welfare system. Now i may be wrong and if i am then teach me.
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/20/2008 4:18:50 AM
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I will not pass judgement on this man but i suggest you read his own words about Jesus being a "historical figure" Read here
Thank you. I am learning a lot about this man from this thread I would not have otherwise found out. Forgive my methodology but I get the answers I desire. He does not sound Christian in this interview. But like you I won't pass judgement on this man either. My trust is in Jesus. He never fails me. To me it is not about race, God is not a respector of persons. I was hoping for the best, and like I said before I may give up voting again execept for issues that effect the Church like prop 8.
Thank all of you. My eyes have been opened.
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/20/2008 10:40:42 AM
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The price of oil began dropping immediately after President Bush rescinded the Executive Order banning drilling for oil here in the US, back in July. It had nothing whatsoever to do with the Obamessiah.
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Is it a coincidence that the price of oil dropped so dramaticaly? I predict good things to come.
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/20/2008 10:48:12 AM
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Gotta point out to you that Joseph did not "seek, run, or throw his hat in the ring," for the position he was given. The Obamessiah certainly did, however.
As for comparing the Obamessiah to the apostle, Paul, give me a break! Your arguments get more ridiculous with each posting.
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31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God. 32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God: 33 Even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved.
1 Cor 10:31-33 (KJV)
Is Obama not only Joseph like but Paul like not offending the unsaved homosexuals? He is a Christian perhaps some may be saved as well as Jews and other gentiles. He does support Israel.
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The Prayer of Protection
The light of God surrounds me,
The love of God enfolds me,
The power of God protects me,
The presence of God watches over me.
Wherever I am, God is.
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/20/2008 11:59:43 AM
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The only comparison to Joseph that might hold water would be that
after Joseph came to Egypt, it wasn't long before the Israelites were
taken in "slavery" for 400 years.
But, that is a very far stretch. Obama still is not compared to Joseph in any way.
This is like the end times preachers using news clippings to say it's the Bible.
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/20/2008 6:33:51 PM
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I don't agree with his position on abortian and homosexuality. However it is the sin of the individuals who commit such acts. It is not Biblical according to Romans 1 and the ten commandments. Will he make a good President remains to be seen. Romans 13 gives me some hope. Like I said I don't know why God chooses some world leaders. The evil ones do seem to pass away or are inafective. Look at the billions we have and continue to spend in Iraq. It was only supposed to last three days. Inresponse to the twin towers we bombed a country. Millions were killed and affected. Which is worse, the person who does evil or the person who expresses support for it? There are a lot of people around the world who support his position. There are a lot of people around the world who actually do what he supports. Our court system makes these things possible overiding the opinions of the majority accept for maybe abortion.
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/20/2008 8:53:14 PM
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As for comparing the Obamessiah to the apostle, Paul, give me a break! Your arguments get more ridiculous with each posting.
Do you Identify with anyone in the Bible or just secular people? Are you so unique that you can be compared with no one throughout history? Like Paul do you you try to be all things to all people that you might save some? Do you try to make disciples like Jesus instructed us to do? People in the Bible have. I'm sure you can identify with them. Read the above link about his interview. He does not sound Christian. I am here to learn but is is evidence that will convince me not retoric and railings. I do not agree with him about who Jesus is and sin. I'm not going to compare him with people in the Bible anymore. I gave him the benefit of the doubt because he claims to a Christian, but his own words in the interview do not identify him as a Christian. I dentify with many people in the Bible. It builds my faith and gives me strength to go on. Many have fallen short , many have sinned, but all in all they did the will of God. God uses ordinary people to do great things, but he gets all the glory. Without God they could do nothing. Read where he rose Paul from. He persecuted the Church but God turned him around and he suffered much and wrote most of the epistles to the Church. There is still hope for Obama. He needs to here and be encouraged by the words of God like all of us. Faith comes by hearing and hearing of the word of God. To win souls you don't constantly slam them. You give them Gods word.
I believe if he read what I said about him would minister to him more that the railings against him on this thread. Read Cor. 13 the love chapter.
1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. 2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. 3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
The many praises given to love
4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, 5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; 6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; 7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
1 Cor 13:1-7 (KJV)
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/20/2008 9:16:19 PM
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I don't agree with his position on abortian and homosexuality.
If you voted for him I believe you do agree with him... Can't parcel out your vote(support) for only the "good things"
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However it is the sin of the individuals who commit such acts. It is not Biblical according to Romans 1 and the ten commandments.
Sorry, but those in charge who sanction evil are guilty...
Proverbs 16:12 It is an abomination to kings to commit wickedness: for the throne is established by righteousness.
As well since Mr. Obama claims God that makes him even more accountable...
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Will he make a good President remains to be seen. Romans 13 gives me some hope.
There is nothing in Romans 13 that should give you hope...
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Like I said I don't know why God chooses some world leaders.
The evil ones do seem to pass away or are inafective.
Regardless they serve the perfect and complete will of God...
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Look at the billions we have and continue to spend in Iraq. It was only supposed to last three days.
I don't support the war, but who in their right mind ever said it only last three days?
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Inresponse to the twin towers we bombed a country. Millions were killed and affected.
Millions?
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Which is worse, the person who does evil or the person who expresses support for it?
Charles Manson is no less guilty than those who he coxed into murdering for him...
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/20/2008 9:51:09 PM
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If you voted for him I believe you do agree with him... Can't parcel out your vote(support) for only the "good things"
Sure you can. There has not been a candidate I voted for yet that I agree with everything they believe. You have to not vote. Even Mccain was neutral on gay marriages. That is support. There are Christians I like but don't agree with all of their doctrine.
I voted yes on prop 8 , what are you talking about. Did you?
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/20/2008 10:13:52 PM
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Sure you can.
Your vote for Obama supports his position on abortion and the homosexual agenda.... Can't pick and choose what you support about the candidate since you vote for the person as a whole...
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There has not been a candidate I voted for yet that I agree with everything they believe. You have to not vote.
Doesn't excuse supporting someone who clearly has evil agendas...
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Even Mccain was neutral on gay marriages. That is support. There are Christians I like but don't agree with all of their doctrine.
Mr. Obama is far from neutral on the issue so that means your vote for him is support for the agenda...
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I voted yes on prop 8 , what are you talking about. Did you?
Yet you vote for a man who was proud his former church recognizes same sex unions, which are really marriages with another name stamped on it..
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/20/2008 10:18:51 PM
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/20/2008 11:57:28 PM
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Thank you. I am learning a lot about this man from this thread I would not have otherwise found out. Forgive my methodology but I get the answers I desire. He does not sound Christian in this interview. But like you I won't pass judgement on this man either. My trust is in Jesus. He never fails me. To me it is not about race, God is not a respector of persons. I was hoping for the best, and like I said before I may give up voting again execept for issues that effect the Church like prop 8.
Thank all of you. My eyes have been opened.
This sums up how I feell about Obama and Chritianity. I will not compare him to Joseph again. If you want to continue this thread go ahead. I'm out of here. I know my position on homosexuals and gay marriages. They are an abomination and Romans 1 say's that they rejected God and he turned them into homosexuals some becoming reprobate, God haters going about recruting others with like mind knowing they are subject to damnation. However Corinthians says some of you 'once were' including other sinners. There is hope for some of them. Perhaps Obama may become like Joseph in his life time. Paul was saved in his lifetime having once been a Pharisee. He was once like a Pharisee. God desires that no one perish but many do. No one comes to Jesus unless the Father gives them to him.
God bless.
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/21/2008 1:09:08 PM
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Thank you. I am learning a lot about this man from this thread I would not have otherwise found out. Forgive my methodology but I get the answers I desire. He does not sound Christian in this interview. But like you I won't pass judgement on this man either. My trust is in Jesus. He never fails me. To me it is not about race, God is not a respector of persons. I was hoping for the best, and like I said before I may give up voting again execept for issues that effect the Church like prop 8.
Thank all of you. My eyes have been opened.
This sums up how I feell about Obama and Chritianity. I will not compare him to Joseph again. If you want to continue this thread go ahead. I'm out of here. I know my position on homosexuals and gay marriages. They are an abomination and Romans 1 say's that they rejected God and he turned them into homosexuals some becoming reprobate, God haters going about recruting others with like mind knowing they are subject to damnation. However Corinthians says some of you 'once were' including other sinners. There is hope for some of them. Perhaps Obama may become like Joseph in his life time. Paul was saved in his lifetime having once been a Pharisee. He was once like a Pharisee. God desires that no one perish but many do. No one comes to Jesus unless the Father gives them to him.
God bless.
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Perhaps Obama may become like Joseph in his life time.
The volume of the book (Bible) speaks of Jesus Christ, and speaks of types of Christ.... such as Joseph ..etc etc...and if anyone were to compare Obama to anyone.... it should be Jesus.... 
Ga 2:20 - Show Context
I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; (no references to Joseph ..etc etc etc.....
"and"
the life which I now live... in the flesh...... I live by faith in the Son of God(no references to Joseph), who loved me and gave "Himself" ....for me.
1Jo 5:7 - Show Context
For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. (no references to Joseph)
This is what Jesus said in comparison to Biblical patriarchs’, He said
Joh 8:58 - Show Context
Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, ....I AM."
And as John the Baptist said ....8 Therefore bear fruits worthy of repentance,
9 and do not think to say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father.'
( so Jesus was not a type of Joseph)
Therefore
Ex 20:4 - Show Context
"You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, (Joseph/ Obama/ Abraham)....or that is in the water under the earth 5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me,
..............As far as I remember Joseph blessed his children... but then again we have no clue who Obama considers to be his.... (friendship with the world is enmity with God. )
Jas 4:4 - Show Context
Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God?
..."Whoever".. therefore wants to be a friend of the world ......makes himself an enemy of God.
What James was speaking of there.....is written in an OT prophetic reference
Here
Ho 9:7 - Show Context
The days of punishment have come; The days of recompense have come. Israel knows! The prophet is a fool, The spiritual man is insane, Because of the greatness of your iniquity and great enmity.
Ho 9:8 - Show Context
The watchman of Ephraim is with my God; But the prophet is a fowler's snare in all his ways-- Enmity in the house of his God. =(friendship with the world)
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/21/2008 1:52:33 PM
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I will not compare him to Joseph again.
I rejoice with you that you have seen the light.
Obama is not compare to anyone, although the world keeps
trying to compare him to Roosevelt, Lincoln, etc. He is none of these.
Obama is Obama. Nothing more, and nothing less.
Only time will show us who and what he is.
At this point, no one knows. He is only reflecting what people
"perceive" in him. I for one, did not vote for a mirror.
I was looking to vote for a leader.
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RE: Is Obama a type of Joseph - 11/21/2008 2:21:54 PM
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davemiller7
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Do you Identify with anyone in the Bible or just secular people? Are you so unique that you can be compared with no one throughout history? Like Paul do you you try to be all things to all people that you might save some? Do you try to make disciples like Jesus instructed us to do? People in the Bible have. I'm sure you can identify with them.
I wouldn't have the audacity to compare myself with any Biblical person. I am a sinner, like all the rest of us. Furthermore, my character and spirituality are not the topic of this thread.
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I'm not going to compare him with people in the Bible anymore. I gave him the benefit of the doubt because he claims to a Christian, but his own words in the interview do not identify him as a Christian.
Thank you.
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-Dave
The Prayer of Protection
The light of God surrounds me,
The love of God enfolds me,
The power of God protects me,
The presence of God watches over me.
Wherever I am, God is.
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