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RE: Are we entering the "Last Week" - 11/17/2008 7:22:57 PM
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What is your response when people say this? I'm wondering because I don't always know how to respond to this.
I say they are not well informed.
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RE: Are we entering the "Last Week" - 11/17/2008 9:08:40 PM
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Some people will say"it's been worse before" "or things aren't that bay" and I say they have their heads in the sand.
What is your response when people say this? I'm wondering because I don't always know how to respond to this.
I always say it has been worse before BUT it was different then. Israel was not a state.
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RE: Are we entering the "Last Week" - 11/23/2008 6:26:34 PM
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Hi bob97!
I concur that the birth was at about 4 BC and that The Annointing at age 30 (in fulfillment of the age of Daviyd when he was on the throne in Judea), puts the date at 26 AD. Then The Annointed One's Ministry for 3 1/2 years, puts the date at 30 Anno Dommini. The 40 year period following the Ascension is the fulfillment of the time period in which Moses wandered in the desert with Israel and the 40 day period for the temptation of Christ and the 40 day period for The Appearance of Jesus Among many peoples on earth in fulfillment of Noah's Ark, whereby His Disciples did not reckognize Him; at first; but realized afterward that The Holy Spirit had burned in them with fire in their hearts as he spoke. Thus, The Lord was not able to be identified by worldly means, until the time when He was willing to lay down His Life for the sheep as written where Judas reckonized Him and knew that He would be in the Garden.
One Testimony of the Prophecy of the Toltecs carried through generations here up until the Aztecs was that The Messiah (the Bronze serpent that heals those that look to Him) would return. Do not also some other people celebrate a baptism event in a certain river in India, somehow? Some have said that my neighbor can be Jesus, at times, 'you did it, or you did not do it to Me. And you clothed Me, and you fed Me, and you invited Me in."
Therefore, the 40 year period of the Prophesied destruction of The Temple of God at Jerusalem is fulfillment of Daniel where the ruler or prince of the people (Roman ruler in the province of Judea) to come will destroy the sanctuary. The curtain was rent by The Highest One whereby The Holy One is among all peoples (when gentiles have written on them in covenant things obedient to God is Paul), and especially present among the Believers in The Way. For they are the Inheritance Gemstone. Egypt my servant, and Israel my inheritance. That all things would be placed under His feet as written making a footstool for Him regarding how His enemies raise Him Higher. This puts the date at circa 70 Ad for fulfillment.
We might look at Judean calendar Prophecy to discover whether the date would work out on the lunar calendar in this manner and what sabbath signs were given with regard to lunar (new moon Sabbath events) and solar events on those dates in that year.
With regard to the possible 'peace' agreement, I find that it would usually not go over well with the Israeli's to make such concessions. However, such a situation could arise wereby his policy in the service of the middle east would find himself in jeopardy or removed by the protesting faction. The response to such a mix of fiscal (IMF britannical) relationships resulting in demands set upon Israel could produce provocation in avid supporters on the side of those interested.
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Well thought out Sonic...but I have some problems.
If I use the Artaxerxes' decree of 457 BCE as being the starting point and come forward 483 years I arrive at 26AD. Using Gabriel statement that the Messiah would be cut off after threescore and two weeks means the Messiah would have been killed in 26AD (483 years). Does anyone here think the crucifixion took place in 26AD?
I can maybe be persuaded that Messiah was anointed in 26AD and started his ministry. I could then be swayed that He was crucified in 30AD which would have been on the 14 of Nissan which would be a Wednesday. I could be convinced that Christ made a covenant at this point of being cut off (karat) but the problem I’m having is that we are now 3 to 4 years past the threescore and two.
When would have Christ have made the covenant? It would have to of been at the point of His crucifixion which would have been the same time that He cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease at the renting of the Veil. To give a time period of 3 ½ years the covenant would have been made at His anointing in 26AD.
I have a problem that the people who destroyed the city were not the people of Christ (people of the prince), so there does seem to be another prince. I also have a problem that the destruction occurred 40 after the crucifixion.
I’ve got a lot of problems but I’m still looking on it. Maybe someone can see the holes in my thinking and give me some clues.
Bob
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RE: Are we entering the "Last Week" - 11/23/2008 6:38:01 PM
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Well, I say that it is true! Things have been bad at lots of times in history. But I say that there was never a time when 'all' the signs throughout the bible were all present to indicate the end drawing near. And it seems pretty global too!
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RE: Are we entering the "Last Week" - 11/23/2008 8:09:35 PM
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Most people will always sue for peace when the conditions are right and I don't think Israel to be any exception.
What do Israeli religious-traditionalists want more that any other thing? It might be a place to worship…a new temple. They might be persuaded if that were on the table.
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RE: Are we entering the "Last Week" - 11/23/2008 8:17:22 PM
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Yes, I think that is very true. The nationalists are happy with the fact that they are in their land. Many don't care as long as there is peace. But the religious won't feel like they are fully home until they have their temple and their traditional religious observances re-instated.
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RE: Are we entering the "Last Week" - 11/23/2008 8:26:35 PM
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How is it going Sonic...everything OK on your end?
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RE: Are we entering the "Last Week" - 11/23/2008 8:31:55 PM
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Thanks Bob, I'm ok now. Had a really bad week last week, but feeling a little better now. How are things with you?
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RE: Are we entering the "Last Week" - 11/23/2008 8:47:59 PM
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Going fine...thanks. God is good!
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RE: Are we entering the "Last Week" - 11/23/2008 8:51:44 PM
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Great, good to here it. God truly is good.
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RE: Are we entering the "Last Week" - 11/24/2008 12:59:09 AM
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There is another reason that Israel might very well be deluded into accepting a peace accord. The false prophet very well might come from Israel because Rev 13 has the FP coming out of the land, which would be an indication of coming from the land of Israel. The two horns might very point to a holy man. I know many view the two horns to indicate a Jewish Pope and that could be the case. In any case a revered person of Jewish lineage might very well hold sway over the Jews.
If this is the case this could very well be the smoking gun that causes Israel to be fooled into accepting the agreement.
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RE: Are we entering the "Last Week" - 11/24/2008 4:36:01 AM
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Last time during the rise of Germany in accordance with Revelation regarding The Dragon pursuing the Woman era and She was delivered on the wings of Eagles as written in The Prophets: 'I bore you on the wings of eagles.' 'They shall mount up with the wings of eagles.'. I believe that there was also a Judean Pope in the Vatican at that time along with Mussolini.
This time coming there is Prophecy regarding Impetuousness of the Ishmaelites and their backlash over some occurance to come shortly. Furthermore, there is Prophecy regarding one of Obama's appointees called Mabus who is over the policy in the middle east. There are quite a few Prophecies regarding the election of Obama and a few others as well. It states something regarding how liberty will not be recovered but will be in the hands one person.
The Revolutionary wars were Prophesied, Napolean was Prophesied, Hitler was Prophesied and how he would have trouble over a certain river. Marx Prophesied concerning communism as a form of partisan or Oligopoly leadership as well.
It will come to pass that there will be war against the Woman and Her Children The saints of God Almighty as written in The Testimony when the 10 worldwide leaders appear over the earth in conjunction with the false prophet.
As to the two horns that are like a lamb that was slain on the head of the false prophet beast from the earth, they are the two witnesses whose appearance is during the time of the covenant of the trial of the mark of the number of the name of the false prophet anti-Christ. It is written: 'I will give the nations to you'. The Prophets Annointed leadership and Prophesied Judgement over nations. These two Annointed Olive Trees will issue the Judgement regarding the fulfillment of the fifth seal calling to Martyrdom while Prophesying many things that will cause the 10 to hate the prostitute and tear her apart in fulfillment of Revelation. They cause the false prophet to come up with arrogance and anger subduing 3 leaders to take his place among them making 8 as written. The beast from the earth is an eigth king, who once was, now is not, yet will come up from the pit and kill the two witnesses as written and will go to his destruction. The false prophet is a fallen being. There are other Prophesies regarding this false Prophet in Nostradamus.
Notice the following entime Prophecy of Zechariah 8:23-9
This is what the LORD Almighty says: "In those days ten men from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, 'Let us go with you, because we have heard that God is with you.' "
The last verse is a separate verse regarding possibly the false prophet ,instead, whereby one jew has covenant with the 10 men worldwide leaders and performs great wonderous signs as written in Revelation. However, the true Judean would never not understand what blasphemy is and would know to worship no one except God Alone. Therefore, your premise may be Scriptural regarding how the false prophet may be Judean because it is written in same Prophet Zechariah that every 2 out 3 Judean people will be killed over this.
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There is another reason that Israel might very well be deluded into accepting a peace accord. The false prophet very well might come from Israel because Rev 13 has the FP coming out of the land, which would be an indication of coming from the land of Israel. The two horns might very point to a holy man. I know many view the two horns to indicate a Jewish Pope and that could be the case. In any case a revered person of Jewish lineage might very well hold sway over the Jews.
If this is the case this could very well be the smoking gun that causes Israel to be fooled into accepting the agreement.
Bob
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RE: Are we entering the "Last Week" - 11/24/2008 9:57:59 AM
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This is all very interesting jerowhy...thanks.
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RE: Are we entering the "Last Week" - 11/24/2008 10:09:49 AM
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jerowhy-
Could you please give the Scriptures for each of these prophecies:
- This time coming there is Prophecy regarding Impetuousness of the Ishmaelites and their backlash over some occurance to come shortly.
- Furthermore, there is Prophecy regarding one of Obama's appointees called Mabus who is over the policy in the middle east.
- There are quite a few Prophecies regarding the election of Obama and a few others as well. It states something regarding how liberty will not be recovered but will be in the hands one person.
- The Revolutionary wars were Prophesied,
- Napolean was Prophesied,
- Hitler was Prophesied and how he would have trouble over a certain river.
- Marx Prophesied concerning communism as a form of partisan or Oligopoly leadership as well.
Thanks!
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RE: Are we entering the "Last Week" - 11/24/2008 2:20:38 PM
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Deares ta_mosquito: these Prophesies are not at Scriptural Foundation, but are fulfilled in The Holy Work through NostreDamus (a witness to The Testimony of Jesus through Our TriUne Lady of the twelve angels: The Woman and Her Children) in French. One could notice how certain gifts are given by God to peoples everywhere to become a workperson in that manner to benefit others through The Blessing that God conferred in Genesis 'Be Fruitful and Multiply and increase on the earth and subdue it.' He Ascended on High and Gave gracious gifts to people. That Light was The Light of mankind. Thus, whatever People of The Love do, they do as service to The One. This is the freedom we have in Christ Jesus. Shrewd as serpents, but babies to sin. This Is Among The Good News of The Gospel of Grace. When 'nonbelievers' have Faith as Caleb had faith in God that He would accomplish His Plan, they are producing the fruit of the law of Love themselves so that no one can look down on anyone, for Christ says: 'Did no one come back to worship (Will of God Sup in Spirit and in Jesus The Truth) God except this 'foreigner'? Jesus taught us that only Naman an idolatrous king in syria was cleansed and only the widow in another country accepted Eliyah into her home and believed The Word He Spoke to her. These are all considered 'nonbelievers' by The Judean People, at the time of Christ's Testimony at Jerusalem.
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jerowhy-
Could you please give the Scriptures for each of these prophecies:
- This time coming there is Prophecy regarding Impetuousness of the Ishmaelites and their backlash over some occurance to come shortly.
- Furthermore, there is Prophecy regarding one of Obama's appointees called Mabus who is over the policy in the middle east.
- There are quite a few Prophecies regarding the election of Obama and a few others as well. It states something regarding how liberty will not be recovered but will be in the hands one person.
- The Revolutionary wars were Prophesied,
- Napolean was Prophesied,
- Hitler was Prophesied and how he would have trouble over a certain river.
- Marx Prophesied concerning communism as a form of partisan or Oligopoly leadership as well.
Thanks!
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RE: Are we entering the "Last Week" - 11/24/2008 3:38:14 PM
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Rather, I would place the Prophecy, regardless of the vessel, as from God. Just as Moses placed the Prophecy of the seer Balaam in Scripture as an example for us that we may know that God speaks through many different people at His Choosing. However, in this case the Prophecy was true at first, then he went to idols of greed, national pride of nations, and sexual sin; instead. Therefore, God told Moses to make war and kill all of those who submitted themselves to doing these falsehood practices of Mammon and worldly pride of racial disharmonies and worldly national pride of empires, and sexual sins and promiscuoity.
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OK, so you're placing Nostradamus on the level of a true prophet from God. Thanks for the clarification. 
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RE: Are we entering the "Last Week" - 11/24/2008 4:44:47 PM
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Shalom, ta_mosquito.
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jerowhy-
Could you please give the Scriptures for each of these prophecies:
- This time coming there is Prophecy regarding Impetuousness of the Ishmaelites and their backlash over some occurance to come shortly.
- Furthermore, there is Prophecy regarding one of Obama's appointees called Mabus who is over the policy in the middle east.
- There are quite a few Prophecies regarding the election of Obama and a few others as well. It states something regarding how liberty will not be recovered but will be in the hands one person.
- The Revolutionary wars were Prophesied,
- Napolean was Prophesied,
- Hitler was Prophesied and how he would have trouble over a certain river.
- Marx Prophesied concerning communism as a form of partisan or Oligopoly leadership as well.
Thanks!
These prophecies are not to be found in Scripture. Therefore, they are from a spurious source and possibly from a false prophet, such as Nostradamus who INDEED was a false prophet! A true prophet of God will provide detailed prophecies, both of the near future and of the distant future, not just a few mysterious lines that could mean various things to various people. Furthermore, a true prophet's words will be 100% fulfilled exactly as prophecied. Anything less is false prophecy. That's how we know that "prophets" like Nostradamus are false. They don't meet the tests of a prophet as recorded in Scripture.
Deut 13:1-5
1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.
5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.
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15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;
16 According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.
17 And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.
18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?
22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
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RE: Are we entering the "Last Week" - 11/24/2008 5:42:13 PM
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Rather, I would place the Prophecy, regardless of the vessel, as from God.
So the prophecies from the girl whose story begins in Acts 16:16 were from God? Then why did Paul rebuke the spirit in her and command it to leave, in Christ's name?
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RE: Are we entering the "Last Week" - 11/24/2008 6:34:09 PM
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It's a norrow road of truth and light we walk down, and even more so in these end days. I've said it on a previous thread some time ago, it's only safe to trust the words of prophecy written in the book that God has put His seal on.
I know people will say that God gave the gift of prophecy. But these are days way to dark now. One simple step taken away from the path, and we will venture ever more further away.
Remember, many false teachers and prophets will rise up and decieve many. Play it safe during these dark days. If it isn't in the book, tread carefully, test the spirits and pray about it, and if the main view of others is less than favourable, be humble and go back to the book and thank God that he has given us all we need within there.
I say this with complete love.
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RE: Are we entering the "Last Week" - 11/24/2008 8:53:37 PM
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I have never worried about the prophecies of Nostradamus because I'm not smart enough to decipher them…they were always too vague and could apply to almost anything.
One of the things I did get from jerowhy post was the statement regarding the false prophet and the two horns like a lamb. Could it be that the coming of the false prophet is directly tied to the coming of the two wittiness’s?
There were a couple of other items also, one of which was the tying of Rev 12 to the siege of Hitler against the Jews, which has some ring of truth to it. It goes against conventional wisdom but I suspect much conventional wisdom is incorrect. 
Bob
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RE: Are we entering the "Last Week" - 11/24/2008 9:13:14 PM
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I'm not saying that this is wrong, however, it all seems like guess work, and trying to make things all fit with recent events. I think when the time comes, it will be only too clear what these symbols refer too. I've never heard these things being linked to these events before, but I think the minute we start to bring external writtings and prophecies and philosophies in, we begin to go way off track, or at best, our imagination goes wild with possibilties.
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RE: Are we entering the "Last Week" - 11/24/2008 9:30:06 PM
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I'm not keying on any foreign prophecy here brother...the two I keyed on can be foundered in sound biblical doctrine. Many different people have their own take of the meaning of Rev 12 for example…there is no one single accepted interpretation of this event.
Right now I am rereading Dwight Pentecost’s book “Things to Come” and with what I know today there are many things that I disagree with…their position on the rapture being one. Things like that are what I’m referring to when I talk about conventional wisdom.
We need to test all things and be slow to change our mind but at the same time we need to maintain an open mind to new teaching as long as we can fit it within the context of God’s word anyway.
Bob
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RE: Are we entering the "Last Week" - 11/24/2008 10:21:43 PM
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LOL, sorry Bob. I should have hit 'quote' there.
I was making comment on some of what Jerowhy wrote (no offence jerowhy) It just seems that we can easily see recent events and try to make stuff fit.
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