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RE: as soon as President Bush is gone.. - 11/14/2008 2:15:31 PM
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stamper_ben
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Aw man, you just had to bring up the UN didn't you.
Funny how they can just be ignored unless you need their inaction to bolster your argument against taking action on what they pass their resolutions on. 17 times... 
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RE: as soon as President Bush is gone.. - 11/14/2008 3:21:11 PM
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He was smart enough to beat both the guys the Dems put up against him in 2000 and 2004.. Karl Rove was smart in running his campaign. I understand 2000 but I still can't believe this man won a second term.
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Personally, I'm inclined to view Bush as a democrat in retrospect. Other than his court nominations, except for the Harriet Meiers goof, I can't think of one policy he embraced that's conservative. Trust me, he's no Democrat either. We don't want him! In truth, he's a hypocrit and that's pretty much how he wiggled his way through the second election. He can't be gone soon enough.
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RE: as soon as President Bush is gone.. - 11/14/2008 3:23:59 PM
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It is hard to play hardball while walking softly. True, but that is exactly what the quote about walking softly and carrying the big stick is all about. It takes a particular set of skills to do that, and Bush ain't got em. We will see if our new President does or not. I am cautiously optimistic.
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RE: as soon as President Bush is gone.. - 11/14/2008 3:27:01 PM
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It is hard to play hardball while walking softly. True, but that is exactly what the quote about walking softly and carrying the big stick is all about. It takes a particular set of skills to do that, and Bush ain't got em. We will see if our new President does or not. I am cautiously optimistic.
Problem is that our upcoming president is openly atagonistic towards our big stick and desires to cut funding for it's use.
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RE: as soon as President Bush is gone.. - 11/14/2008 3:44:46 PM
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relady
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Problem is that our upcoming president is openly atagonistic towards our big stick and desires to cut funding for it's use. More right wing half truths. This is not true at all. He's simply antagongistic toward HOW and WHERE we've been using the big stick. As am I. So I'm 100% with him on that.
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RE: as soon as President Bush is gone.. - 11/14/2008 3:49:20 PM
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Problem is that our upcoming president is openly atagonistic towards our big stick and desires to cut funding for it's use. More right wing half truths. This is not true at all. He's simply antagongistic toward HOW and WHERE we've been using the big stick. As am I. So I'm 100% with him on that.
This is true. He want's to defund the external big stick and fund his own private force within our borders. So he's apparently against using the big stick to defend the USA but for using it to oppress his political enemies
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RE: as soon as President Bush is gone.. - 11/14/2008 3:50:53 PM
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This is true. He want's to defund the external big stick and fund his own private force within our borders. So he's apparently against using the big stick to defend the USA but for using it to oppress his political enemies More untruths. This has been rebutted and shown to be untrue in another thread.
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RE: as soon as President Bush is gone.. - 11/14/2008 4:36:21 PM
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Problem is that our upcoming president is openly atagonistic towards our big stick and desires to cut funding for it's use. More right wing half truths. This is not true at all. He's simply antagongistic toward HOW and WHERE we've been using the big stick. As am I. So I'm 100% with him on that.
He accused our troops of killing civilians (he may not have meant it to come out that way but it did) and has stated that he will cut military spending, not the war spending but defense spending. That is seperate from his desire to leave Iraq. When the commander in chief to be talks of cutting spending and making accusations at the troops it hurts morale.
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RE: as soon as President Bush is gone.. - 11/14/2008 4:49:56 PM
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He accused our troops of killing civilians (he may not have meant it to come out that way but it did) and has stated that he will cut military spending, not the war spending but defense spending. That is seperate from his desire to leave Iraq. When the commander in chief to be talks of cutting spending and making accusations at the troops it hurts morale. Not to mention what it does to our enemies.
Oh yeah, I forgot, it's Bush's fault we have enemies...
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RE: as soon as President Bush is gone.. - 11/14/2008 8:40:11 PM
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Anyone who has paid attention to recent events, IMO knows very well that a number of bad people and heads-of-state have been waiting for a change of administration in the United States.
There is a reason why these heads of states want Bush gone and Obama in office.
***HINT*** It has nothing to do with everyone singing "I like to teach the world to sing"
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RE: as soon as President Bush is gone.. - 11/14/2008 9:23:53 PM
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I wish the UN would just go away. They're the most inept, costly, and useless organizations ever. Their 17 resolutions that were ignored showed more of their true colors.
I agree with you there 110%
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More right wing half truths. This is not true at all. He's simply antagongistic toward HOW and WHERE we've been using the big stick. As am I. So I'm 100% with him on that.
I hope you are right but I am scared you are wrong.
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RE: as soon as President Bush is gone.. - 11/15/2008 1:48:09 AM
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Problem is that our upcoming president is openly atagonistic towards our big stick and desires to cut funding for it's use. More right wing half truths. This is not true at all. He's simply antagongistic toward HOW and WHERE we've been using the big stick. As am I. So I'm 100% with him on that.
He accused our troops of killing civilians (he may not have meant it to come out that way but it did) and has stated that he will cut military spending, not the war spending but defense spending. That is seperate from his desire to leave Iraq. When the commander in chief to be talks of cutting spending and making accusations at the troops it hurts morale.
You might want to make those accusations in context, he was repeating what the military has said on several occasions -
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NATO's commander in Afghanistan, Gen. David McKiernan has said there are not enough U.S. ground forces in Afghanistan, so the military is relying more heavily on air power — a greater risk in a conflict where insurgents don't wear uniforms and intentionally mix with the general population for protection.
In a trip to Afghanistan in mid-September, Defense Secretary Robert Gates offered the people of Afghanistan his "personal regrets" over the civilian deaths and said he would try to improve the accuracy of air operations.
And you do realize that the Defense Dept. Budget is $515.4 billion (for the Department of Defense’s (DOD's) base budget—a nearly 74-percent increase over 2001)
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$70.0 billion as an emergency allowance to support activities related to the Global War on Terror into 2009.
Office of Management & Budget
$585 Billion, hard number to wrap a person's head around.
Try this - 585 Billion bushels of corn - the 1975 national corn harvest
The area of the Earth in square miles is 197 million. 585 Billion square miles? That's just a touch over 300 Earths.
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RE: as soon as President Bush is gone.. - 11/15/2008 5:30:33 AM
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You might want to make those accusations in context, he was repeating what the military has said on several occasions -
Obama didn't say "civilians are dying" He said "our troops are killing innocent civilians" to the guy on the ground that is a huge difference to hear out of the Commander in Chiefs mouth.
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And you do realize that the Defense Dept. Budget is $515.4 billion (for the Department of Defense’s (DOD's) base budget—a nearly 74-percent increase over 2001)
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You do realize that military spending is one of the actual jobs of the US government as spelled out in the constitution correct? You do realize that we are fighting two wars and that approaching 2000 timeframe some parts of the military were working with outdated equipment, small budgets, and limited manpower. When I left the air force i was on inactive reserves for four years after and in late 2001 i was placed on stop loss (extending my reserve time indefinitely) so that if it became necessary to fill the ranks i could be recalled. When i got out of the airforce in 1997 some career fields were as low as 50% manned so an increase in spending to update equpment and recruit to sustainable levels is understandable. Our armed forces are the most technologically advanced in the world and while that isn't cheap it is necessary.
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RE: as soon as President Bush is gone.. - 11/15/2008 8:18:18 AM
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Teddy said walk softly but carry a big stick. Bush has been pretty good at carrying the big stick part, but he wouldn't know how to walk softly if he took lessons. One out of two isn't good enough.
The problem was for 8 years before Bush we walked softly and had no stick. We were ripe for the attack, in their eyes because they did not belive the Great Satan was strong enough to attack back. They saw us appease time and time again and do next to nothing.
I have no problem with the war in Iraq other than it was under funded. Or Afghanistan. I see both as probably positives in a very volitile area.
Once again Bush shows his true liberal colors by backing off of his previous statements. You do not deal with terrorists through appeasement. You attack us...watch out.
The russian response to terrorists? While I cannot condone it, it does have the right flavor. We are not dealing here with diplomats and countries. We are dealing with groups of people whoa re intent in destroying us or our way of life. They will not stop. We cannot stop being ready for their attacks.
So if they attack again, there will be reprecussions and consequences. Harsh ones for them.
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He was listening to Cheney in one ear and Rumsfeld in the other - both ancient cold war hawks (warmongers). I'm not convinced this was all Bush's decision. He's not overly smart.
You do know this is media propaganda and hype...don't you? With this as the standard of liberal thought its no wonder Obama got elected.
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When I say try diplomacy first, I'm referring to Iran and Syria.
Keep our military strong and ready. If they start to believe their own rhetoric, we will be ready. Talk...I am all for it. If we can talk to them and that is a big if, then by all means do so...I just think talking with no protection is an invitation for attack.
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I can't think of one policy he embraced that's conservative.
The war.
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to our contrived Iraq crises
How many times has this been debunked? The whole Iraqi war thread. Over and over and still...it makes no impression. Again its no wonder Obama was elected with this blind hatred of Bush.
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He's simply antagongistic toward HOW and WHERE we've been using the big stick.
Aspirin plants the world wide are now putting in anti-aircraft weapons.
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585 Billion, hard number to wrap a person's head around.
Try looking up the combined welfare program costs, the social programs. Its much more.
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RE: as soon as President Bush is gone.. - 11/15/2008 9:23:50 AM
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Out of curiosity, do you think that the US "acting nice" will really cause groups like Al Qaeda to stop hating us? I personally have kind of gotten the impression, mostly from their own interviews and material, that the only thing that will cause them to NOT hate us is us all converting to Islam. And at that, it would have to be the *right kind* of Islam.
I for one am not willing to stop being an "infidel".
Zhi is absolutely correct. The Islamic nations hate us, not because we're American, not because of Bush, not because we're immoral or rich or arrogant or greedy or destroying the environment or any of the other reasons that Americans have been beating themselves up for in the past several years. The Islamic nations hate us because we are not Muslim. Radical Islam calls for the death of all infidels, and they hate us no matter who the president is.
If that were true, they'd also be attacking China, Switzerland, and Norway. It's this sort of overly simplistic perspective on the world that we need to get away from.
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I'm not convinced this was all Bush's decision. He's not overly smart.
He was smart enough to beat both the guys the Dems put up against him in 2000 and 2004...
Only to hand them both Houses and the Presidency in '08. McCain didn't lose on his own. He had help.
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RE: as soon as President Bush is gone.. - 11/15/2008 9:27:35 AM
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585 Billion, hard number to wrap a person's head around.
Try looking up the combined welfare program costs, the social programs. Its much more.
All the figures I've found on this include payments for Social Security & the new Medicaid Bill, rather a disingenuous argument.
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RE: as soon as President Bush is gone.. - 11/15/2008 10:55:08 AM
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Out of curiosity, do you think that the US "acting nice" will really cause groups like Al Qaeda to stop hating us? I personally have kind of gotten the impression, mostly from their own interviews and material, that the only thing that will cause them to NOT hate us is us all converting to Islam. And at that, it would have to be the *right kind* of Islam.
I for one am not willing to stop being an "infidel".
Zhi is absolutely correct. The Islamic nations hate us, not because we're American, not because of Bush, not because we're immoral or rich or arrogant or greedy or destroying the environment or any of the other reasons that Americans have been beating themselves up for in the past several years. The Islamic nations hate us because we are not Muslim. Radical Islam calls for the death of all infidels, and they hate us no matter who the president is.
If that were true, they'd also be attacking China, Switzerland, and Norway. It's this sort of overly simplistic perspective on the world that we need to get away from.
Muslim 'extremists' attempt uprising in western China: govt
In Neutral Switzerland, A Rising Radicalism
Security agency warns of rising radicalism in Norway
Radical Islamists are targetting the entire world, Dan. It's not just America they hate, or the West, although we certainly are hated first and foremost. We are hated because we are infidels, and Radical Islam calls for the destruction of infidels worldwide. If you want to research this further, I would recommend ordering a copy of Obsession: Radical Islam's War Against the West
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RE: as soon as President Bush is gone.. - 11/15/2008 10:55:24 AM
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OBAMA [video clip]: We've got to get the job done there. And that requires us to have enough troops that we're not just air-raiding villages and killing civilians, which is causing enormous problems there.
Let's break it down and analyze this k?
"We've got to get the job done there. And that requires us to have enough troops..." = SMART
"that we're not just air-raiding villages and killing civilians, which is causing enormous problems there" = STUPID
At the very least , BO made an irresponsible morale crushing dumb comment no matter what the context. The military service men/women that drop the laser guided bombs that try their hardest to avoid civilian casualties to the point of even putting theirselves in danger doing so do not deserve this kind of slap-in-the-face comment.
His initial astutely qualified statement is thereby undermined by his own bad decision and lack of leadership skills for our military forces.
Don't blame Hannity for Obama's gaffes. Just because he can't articulate his points well enough doesn't mean he is wrong.
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RE: as soon as President Bush is gone.. - 11/15/2008 11:40:35 AM
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It's good to know that in what may be one of the most critical times in American history, a crisis requiring the full cooperation of the entire government, that the Democratic congress is focused on revenge against it's political enemies.
Um, how about against people who have violated the law?
Consider Alberto Gonzalez alone.
He was among the worst AG's in US history who was more Bush's personal lackey than a public servant. The legal skeletons he's got buried at Justice must be enough to fill Arlington twice over. I'd love to see a subpoena (or 200) hit his doorstep.
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RE: as soon as President Bush is gone.. - 11/15/2008 1:41:22 PM
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"that we're not just air-raiding villages and killing civilians, which is causing enormous problems there" = STUPID
Would it have been better had he said "BRING IT ON!"
The statement is an accurate truth that anyone who is remotely interested in studying that region and that conflict already knows. It was news to no one.
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RE: as soon as President Bush is gone.. - 11/15/2008 5:21:10 PM
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I'm not convinced this was all Bush's decision. He's not overly smart.
He was smart enough to beat both the guys the Dems put up against him in 2000 and 2004...
Careful you are giving the likes of Kerry and Gore props...
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RE: as soon as President Bush is gone.. - 11/15/2008 5:22:17 PM
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It's good to know that in what may be one of the most critical times in American history, a crisis requiring the full cooperation of the entire government, that the Democratic congress is focused on revenge against it's political enemies.
Um, how about against people who have violated the law?
Consider Alberto Gonzalez alone.
He was among the worst AG's in US history who was more Bush's personal lackey than a public servant. The legal skeletons he's got buried at Justice must be enough to fill Arlington twice over. I'd love to see a subpoena (or 200) hit his doorstep.
Please... Janet Reno's cure for child abuse was burning them alive...
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RE: as soon as President Bush is gone.. - 11/15/2008 5:22:23 PM
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I expect that as soon as President Bush is gone and we have Obama that sucking the brains out of full term babies will become all the vogue, and selling fetal tissue will be the way out of the financial crunch.
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