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ATTACKED BY SATAN?! - 11/16/2008 7:59:31 AM
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tomhillbilly
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Im wondering how common this idea is among christians. This seems to be a fairly common belief among christians, so im asking how far does this go? How strong an influence does satan have among peoples of the earth? Also, to what degree is this used as an excuse to somehow justify our own sins?
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RE: ATTACKED BY SATAN?! - 11/16/2008 8:07:28 AM
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Since there is only one Satan, I doubt he bothers with us common folk. Better to spend his time torturing evangelists and missionaries or blinding people to the horrors of abortion, homosexuality, etc.
Demons certainly taunt and tempt the saints, but for me to think I'm dangerous enough to the enemy to warrant his personal attention would be mighty vain. Just MHO
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RE: ATTACKED BY SATAN?! - 11/16/2008 8:39:07 AM
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(Eph 6:11) Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
(Eph 6:12) For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Whether it is by satan himself; or one of his demons (fallen angels), the battle is real.
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RE: ATTACKED BY SATAN?! - 11/16/2008 8:45:40 AM
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Also, to what degree is this used as an excuse to somehow justify our own sins?
We are responsible for our sins. Saying, "the Devil made me do it..." is a cop-out and is akin to telling God that your sin(s) is not something you should be blamed for.
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RE: ATTACKED BY SATAN?! - 11/16/2008 10:51:39 AM
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If mankind was truly changed after adam and eves oroginal sin, it would seem that people dont need any help from satan to sin. Jesus' preaching and the laws and stories in old and new testaments seem to be focused on obeying Gods laws and how this will effect peoples interactions with each other.
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RE: ATTACKED BY SATAN?! - 11/16/2008 11:46:21 AM
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4 "You are of God, little children, and have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world." I John 4
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RE: ATTACKED BY SATAN?! - 11/16/2008 4:28:25 PM
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4 "You are of God, little children, and have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world." I John 4
Great verse Kat_D, So I guess the queston would be if the person is of God (Child of God, true believer), or something else entirely.
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RE: ATTACKED BY SATAN?! - 11/16/2008 4:34:23 PM
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katd and rcjames im not sure exactly what you mean with these posts, but ill take a stab.
that a true child of God has power over and is protected from satan?
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RE: ATTACKED BY SATAN?! - 11/16/2008 5:16:13 PM
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katd and rcjames im not sure exactly what you mean with these posts, but ill take a stab.
that a true child of God has power over and is protected from satan?
Never totally protected from interference and lies of the enemy, but certainly more protected than someone who uses the name of Christ, but is not a Child of God;
(Act 19:13) Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth.
(Act 19:14) And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so.
(Act 19:15) And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?
(Act 19:16) And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.
So before one speaks "In the Name of Jesus" they had best know of whom they speak.
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RE: ATTACKED BY SATAN?! - 11/16/2008 7:33:11 PM
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I'm wondering how common this idea is among Christians. This seems to be a fairly common belief among Christians, so I'm asking how far does this go? How strong an influence does Satan have among peoples of the earth? Also, to what degree is this used as an excuse to somehow justify our own sins?
I'm not sure about the people that you have been around but it is very common as far as I know. I mean the whole, "The devil made me do it." Satan does attach people so to speak. However if we are in submission to God, walking out the word, resisting the devils attacks will be easy I suppose.
James 4:1-8
1 Where do wars and fights come from among you? Do they not come from your desires for pleasure that war in your members? 2 You lust and do not have. You murder and covet and cannot obtain. You fight and war. Yet[a] you do not have because you do not ask. 3 You ask and do not receive, because you ask amiss, that you may spend it on your pleasures. 4 Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. 5 Or do you think that the Scripture says in vain, “The Spirit who dwells in us yearns jealously”? 6 But He gives more grace. Therefore He says: “God resists the proud, But gives grace to the humble.” 7 Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. 8 Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded.
1 Peter 5:1-11 (New King James Version)
1 The elders who are among you I exhort, I who am a fellow elder and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that will be revealed: 2 Shepherd the flock of God which is among you, serving as overseers, not by compulsion but willingly, not for dishonest gain but eagerly; 3 nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock; 4 and when the Chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the crown of glory that does not fade away. 5 Likewise you younger people, submit yourselves to your elders. Yes, all of you be submissive to one another, and be clothed with humility, for “ God resists the proud, But gives grace to the humble.” 6 Therefore humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God, that He may exalt you in due time, 7 casting all your care upon Him, for He cares for you. 8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. 9 Resist him, steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same sufferings are experienced by your brotherhood in the world. 10 But may the God of all grace, who called us to His eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after you have suffered a while, perfect, establish, strengthen, and settle you. 11 To Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.
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Ephesians 6
Children and Parents
1 Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. 2 “Honor your father and mother,” which is the first commandment with promise: 3 “that it may be well with you and you may live long on the earth.” 4 And you, fathers, do not provoke your children to wrath, but bring them up in the training and admonition of the Lord.5 Bondservants, be obedient to those who are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in sincerity of heart, as to Christ; 6 not with eyeservice, as men-pleasers, but as bondservants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart, 7 with goodwill doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men, 8 knowing that whatever good anyone does, he will receive the same from the Lord, whether he is a slave or free. 9 And you, masters, do the same things to them, giving up threatening, knowing that your own Master also is in heaven, and there is no partiality with Him. 10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. 11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. 13 Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. 14 Stand therefore, having girded your waist with truth, having put on the breastplate of righteousness, 15 and having shod your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16 above all, taking the shield of faith with which you will be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God; 18 praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, being watchful to this end with all perseverance and supplication for all the saints— 19 and for me, that utterance may be given to me, that I may open my mouth boldly to make known the mystery of the gospel, 20 for which I am an ambassador in chains; that in it I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.
It would seem that in all three scripture sections I have posted, humility, submission, obedience, watchfulness, nearness to God, etc., is very key in resisting the devil. How do we do this? Prayer, diving into the word (how else are going to get to know God?), being around other people (we can't live the Christian life alone), etc.
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I'm wondering how common this idea is among Christians. This seems to be a fairly common belief among Christians, so I'm asking how far does this go? How strong an influence does Satan have among peoples of the earth? Also, to what degree is this used as an excuse to somehow justify our own sins?
It would see pride, lack of faith and wrong motives leaves you open to the devil to be devoured by him. Blaming Satan however isn't biblical because:
James 1:13-15
13 When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; 14 but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed. 15 Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.
1 Corinthians 10:1-13 (New King James Version)
1 Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, 2 all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 3 all ate the same spiritual food, 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ. 5 But with most of them God was not well pleased, for their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.
6 Now these things became our examples, to the intent that we should not lust after evil things as they also lusted. 7 And do not become idolaters as were some of them. As it is written, “The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.”8 Nor let us commit sexual immorality, as some of them did, and in one day twenty-three thousand fell; 9 nor let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed by serpents; 10 nor complain, as some of them also complained, and were destroyed by the destroyer. 11 Now all these things happened to them as examples, and they were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages have come. 12 Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall. 13 No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it.
All Satan does is look to see those who are full of pride, not looking out, not in submission, etc. He picks of those who think they are strong yet are really weak.
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RE: ATTACKED BY SATAN?! - 11/16/2008 8:31:49 PM
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Revelation 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
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RE: ATTACKED BY SATAN?! - 11/17/2008 2:08:42 AM
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How strong an influence does satan have among peoples of the earth?
Very. He is called "the god of this world" even after the resurrection of Christ. Which means he controls the world systems as well as those who are outside of Christ.
Furthermore he is called "the prince of the power of the air" indicating thereby that he is king over a vast dominion of evil spirits who inhabit this earth's atmosphere (and possibly the stratosphere).
There are hierarchies of evil angels known as "thrones, dominions, principalities, powers, rulers of the darkness of this world, and spiritual wickedness in high places" (Eph. 6:11,12). Scripture reveals that there is one spirit being who controls each kingdom, and Satan controls all the kingdoms of this earth (Mt. 4:8-10).
Satan will exercise complete control over this earth for a very brief period through the Antichrist before he is finally cast into the Lake of Fire. See Revelation 12 and 13. He will be literally worshipped by those who take "the mark of the beast".
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Also, to what degree is this used as an excuse to somehow justify our own sins?
Since the believer receives the gift of the indwelling Holy Spirit (and therefore the trinue Godhead), he or she is fully equipped to "stand against the wiles of the devil". This means that each individual must take full responsbility for sinning. Some Christians do blame Satan for their sins, but this may not be as common as popularly portrayed.
It would be most unwise to assume that Satan does not bother with "us common folk". Peter specifically warns Christians to be sober and vigilant because our Adversary (= Satan) the Devil (=Accuser) goes about as a roaring lion seeking to devour (destroy) us (1 Pet. 5:8,9). We are commanded to resist the devil, and he will flee from us. But if we treat his presence lightly or joke about his influence, we ourselves may fall into his traps.
The teaching on the Kingdom of Darkness is generally shunned in Christian churches, even though the Lord has revealed much to us about our spiritual enemies. "Know your enemy" is the first principle of warfare, yet we are not seeing clear Bible teaching on this subject, even though we are in a daily spiritual battle. The other side is a morbid fascination with demons and the occult, rather than an avoidance of direct involvement.
Nowhere in Scripture is the believer commanded to rebuke Satan. It is the LORD who rebukes Satan (Zech. 3:2), while the believer resists Satan in the power of the Holy Spirit (Eph. 6:13).
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RE: ATTACKED BY SATAN?! - 11/17/2008 9:00:53 AM
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thanx for the responses everyone. i recall the scriptures you all posted. Im sure everyone remembers how jesus referred to satan when talking to peter a couple of times. This makes me wonder how exactly satan would influence people. Does satan whisper in peoples ears, plant thoughts in peoples minds, or how exactly if satan isnt a physical being?
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RE: ATTACKED BY SATAN?! - 11/17/2008 9:19:31 AM
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thanx for the responses everyone. i recall the scriptures you all posted. Im sure everyone remembers how jesus referred to satan when talking to peter a couple of times. This makes me wonder how exactly satan would influence people. Does satan whisper in peoples ears, plant thoughts in peoples minds, or how exactly if satan isnt a physical being?
How does he attack you? What do you think?
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RE: ATTACKED BY SATAN?! - 11/17/2008 9:45:04 AM
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hmm good question godsmusic. I never felt like i was really under attack specifically by satan.
I guess the best i can come up with is other people being influenced, what seems to be an over-all unfair and ungodly world and this trickling down to me just as part of the same corrupt system.
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RE: ATTACKED BY SATAN?! - 11/17/2008 9:58:37 AM
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hmm good question godsmusic. I never felt like i was really under attack specifically by satan.
I guess the best i can come up with is other people being influenced, what seems to be an over-all unfair and ungodly world and this trickling down to me just as part of the same corrupt system.
So you don't believe the devil is going to and fro seeking whom he may devour?
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RE: ATTACKED BY SATAN?! - 11/17/2008 10:07:55 AM
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i never thought much about it godsmusic, but please go in a little more detail if youd like
seems like people do a pretty good job of devouring each other without satan though
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RE: ATTACKED BY SATAN?! - 11/17/2008 10:25:39 AM
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i never thought much about it godsmusic, but please go in a little more detail if youd like
seems like people do a pretty good job of devouring each other without satan though
You've never really thought about it, and yet you've started a thread on this very subject?
Confusing.
Ok, now that I've picked your mind, tell me do you believe the devil is going to and fro seeking whom he may devour or not?
The answer could be as simple as a yes or no.
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RE: ATTACKED BY SATAN?! - 11/17/2008 10:57:12 AM
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godsmusic you misquoted me, "i never thought MUCH about it" is what i said.
honestly i dont know what the devil is doing, thats why im asking you folks that might have some interesting perspective on it.
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RE: ATTACKED BY SATAN?! - 11/17/2008 11:03:54 AM
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godsmusic you misquoted me, "i never thought MUCH about it" is what i said.
honestly i dont know what the devil is doing, thats why im asking you folks that might have some interesting perspective on it.
Tom, do you believe the Bible? I mean you say you've studied with Arnold Murray for 10 years. The verse is not hidden. It's 1st Peter 5:8.
I can answer without avoiding. I believe the devil is going to and fro seeking whom he may devour.
I really believe that.
I wonder what Arnold Murray's views are on this. Must be something weird.
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RE: ATTACKED BY SATAN?! - 11/17/2008 11:07:56 AM
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Tom,
Do you have a Bible? Please let me know if you don't, I will find a way to get one mailed to you.
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RE: ATTACKED BY SATAN?! - 11/17/2008 11:22:23 AM
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LOL wow these last couple posts should go into forum lore.
answering both yes i have and believe the bible. Mine is king james memorial version mit concordance.
i inherited it from my granmother and it was presented in loving memory of my granpa by the united steelworkers of america, local 12605 ronald kidd-president september 17th 1980
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RE: ATTACKED BY SATAN?! - 11/17/2008 11:26:43 AM
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answering both yes i have and believe the bible. Mine is king james memorial version mit concordance.
i inherited it from my granmother and it was presented in loving memory of my granpa by the united steelworkers of america, local 12605 ronald kidd-president september 17th 1980
Great! So you do have a Bible, awesome.
Then here is the post from Godsmusic to you that is fitting:
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Tom, do you believe the Bible? I mean you say you've studied with Arnold Murray for 10 years. The verse is not hidden. It's 1st Peter 5:8.
I can answer without avoiding. I believe the devil is going to and fro seeking whom he may devour.
I really believe that.
I wonder what Arnold Murray's views are on this. Must be something weird.
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RE: ATTACKED BY SATAN?! - 11/17/2008 11:59:48 AM
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ok 1peter 5:8 gotchya.
are there not supposed to be fallen angels also that help satan? are these what people call demons?
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RE: ATTACKED BY SATAN?! - 11/17/2008 2:00:49 PM
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ok 1peter 5:8 gotchya.
are there not supposed to be fallen angels also that help satan? are these what people call demons?
Tom,
Have you ever read through the Bible?
Yes, the fallen angels along with Satan make up what is referred to as the demonic.
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