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RE: The Holy Spirit convicts Believers of their sins? - 11/19/2008 3:43:58 PM
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What the Holy Spirit exhorts us to is the incredible inheritance we have in Christ...
Saved by grace, Eph 2:8,9
Totally forgiven, Col. 2:13,14
Reconciled to God, Rom. 5:10
Justified, Rom. 3:23,24
New Creatures, 2 Cor. 5:17
At peace with God, Rom. 5:1
Righteous, 2 Cor. 5:21
Perfect Forever, Heb. 10:14
Freed from Condemnation, Rom. 8:1
Holy and Blameless, Col. 1:22
Freed from the Law, Rom. 8:2
Hidden with Christ in God, Col. 3:3
Clothed with Christ, Gal. 3:27
Loved Perfectly, Rom. 8:38,39.
Peace
Yes, He is incredible, but this in no way counteracts what I said. On the contrary, I think these would be perfect examples of His "encouragement" and not His "exhortation"...it has an entirely different meaning as I so carefully pointed out.
Well, we will have to agree to disagree then. I cannot speak to your many conclusions in your previous post, as we are very far apart those. But, I still do not see the evidence for the Holy Spirit, who is God, lets not forget, contradicting Himself by remembering what He has said He remembers no more. Bless you.
Peace
I just sort of hate it when people ignore the entire context of a post and cut and paste to try and prove their point...not that I think you did....prove your point, that is.  I would so appreciate it if you could respond to my whole post (#38).
It has less to do with your content than it does its quantity! I would hardly know where to begin. I do not believe that 1 John 1:9 is a Believers passage, and yes I am painfully aware that it is a minority position...I have the battle scars to prove it. But, I am compelled to allow the truth to take me where it will. God help me....
Peace
So, in other words. you are not willing to take the time and "begin" to look at why you could possibly be wrong. Thanks....I will no longer waste my "breath" here. Although, it would have been helpful if you would have said from the beginning that you were not interested in exploring anything we, or more importantly, God's Word says that is in opposition to your "truth."
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RE: The Holy Spirit convicts Believers of their sins? - 11/19/2008 5:12:28 PM
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Is it true that God the Holy Spirit convicts Believers of their sins?
I know where you are going... and I had to think about it. Because, you are right. Our sin, possissionally now, and forever, is forgiven. Our sins were on Christ and Christ alone is responsible for our freedom from sin. But the verse that came to mind as I thought on your question was the following.
John 16:13-14:
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into ALL truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
(emphesis added to he will guide you into ALL truth).
Jesus lived a sinless life, and died. The truth is that murder is wrong. The truth is that stealing is wrong. The truth is that adultery is wrong. The truth is that (insert something sinful) is wrong. If the Holy Spirit is going to lead and guide us in ALL truth, I find it necessary that He would lead and guide me in what is sinful and what is not... what is Christ like and what is not... because even though we are forgiven, what is sinful is a part of ALL truth.
Blessings.
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RE: The Holy Spirit convicts Believers of their sins? - 11/20/2008 6:42:05 AM
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Who says Believers need convicting? Anyone who commits sin needs to be convicted. Unless you again are saying that true christians never sin.
This is why I am finding your posts confusing.
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RE: The Holy Spirit convicts Believers of their sins? - 11/20/2008 6:43:15 AM
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Brand new to these boards and first post ever.
Lord's blessings to all!
I believe if you look at the seven letters to the churches in Revelation you will see that each church was guilty of sin, which were listed in their letters. Each letter was ended with this. " Let he who has an ear listen to what the SPIRIT says to the churches".
In other words, the spirit was convicting each church and members of the sin they needed to address or else.
Welcome to the boards. Good point.
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RE: The Holy Spirit convicts Believers of their sins? - 11/20/2008 8:13:29 AM
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Is it true that God the Holy Spirit convicts Believers of their sins?
I know where you are going... and I had to think about it. Because, you are right. Our sin, possissionally now, and forever, is forgiven. Our sins were on Christ and Christ alone is responsible for our freedom from sin. But the verse that came to mind as I thought on your question was the following.
John 16:13-14:
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into ALL truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
(emphesis added to he will guide you into ALL truth).
Jesus lived a sinless life, and died. The truth is that murder is wrong. The truth is that stealing is wrong. The truth is that adultery is wrong. The truth is that (insert something sinful) is wrong. If the Holy Spirit is going to lead and guide us in ALL truth, I find it necessary that He would lead and guide me in what is sinful and what is not... what is Christ like and what is not... because even though we are forgiven, what is sinful is a part of ALL truth.
Blessings.
Why would it be necessary for the Spirit to lead and guide you in what is sinful, if He is leading and guiding you in all truth? The sinful part of us is our flesh...is there anything good in our flesh? Will it ever not be sinful? Will it ever get better?
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RE: The Holy Spirit convicts Believers of their sins? - 11/20/2008 8:51:10 AM
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is there anything good in our flesh? Will it ever not be sinful? Will it ever get better?
Yes, yes and yes. Why else would we still have our bodies post-resurrection?
To understand our flesh as entirely sinful and without goodness is bordering on gnostic thought.
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RE: The Holy Spirit convicts Believers of their sins? - 11/20/2008 8:57:51 AM
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is there anything good in our flesh? Will it ever not be sinful? Will it ever get better?
Yes, yes and yes. Why else would we still have our bodies post-resurrection?
To understand our flesh as entirely sinful and without goodness is bordering on gnostic thought.
The flesh is not our body. But regardless, these bodies will not suffice for eternity....which is why we will receive new bodies.
Peace
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RE: The Holy Spirit convicts Believers of their sins? - 11/20/2008 1:03:12 PM
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is there anything good in our flesh? Will it ever not be sinful? Will it ever get better? Yes, yes and yes. Why else would we still have our bodies post-resurrection?
To understand our flesh as entirely sinful and without goodness is bordering on gnostic thought. There are 2 very different things that are called "flesh" in scripture - the old unredeemed nature and our physical bodies. Gnostics confuse the 2 and say the physical body is bad.
Let me re-ask MrFribbles question:
is there anything good in our [unredeemed nature]? Will it ever not be sinful? Will it ever get better?
No, No and No.
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RE: The Holy Spirit convicts Believers of their sins? - 11/20/2008 1:08:30 PM
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The flesh is not our body. But regardless, these bodies will not suffice for eternity....which is why we will receive new bodies. Puhleeezze.
We still have the same body but it takes on immortality, becomes glorified just like Jesus' body. He still had the same body as shown by Him offering Thomas the chance to feel the scars in his hands and side. (john 20) In resurrection, we are to be like HIM. (1 cor 15, rom 6.5, 1 john 3.2)
If it was not the same body Jesus came back with, the opponents of the gospel could have just hauled out His dead body to discredit the resurrection claims of the disciples.
It is possible Jesus even came back with the same clothes. In Rev. it says He comes wearing a "robe dipped in blood." (rev 19.13) We know he wore what is now called a Tallit or prayer shawl. The woman who touched the "hem of his garment" actually touched the tzitzit fringes of the prayer shawl. Look up the Greek word kraspedon in Vines. It will tell you this was the word the greeks used for the tassels of the prayer shawl. There is an ancient Jewish tradition of burying a murder victim in his prayer shawl with his own blood on it - to present to God as a witness against his assailant.
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RE: The Holy Spirit convicts Believers of their sins? - 11/20/2008 1:32:46 PM
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The flesh is not our body.
I disagree. To equate the flesh with the sinful nature (as the NIV does) is, in my opinion, very erroneous. Many of the things our flesh desires are not wrong. It is not wrong for me to want food, but it is wrong if that desire becomes a form of gluttony. It is not wrong for me to want sex, but it is wrong if that desire becomes lust, or is acted out in an illicit manner. Our flesh is not inherently sinful. It leaves room for sin, yes, but it doesn't necessitate it - as our sinful nature did, before it was done away with at conversion.
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RE: The Holy Spirit convicts Believers of their sins? - 11/20/2008 1:49:41 PM
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I know sister. I was chuckling at your emphatic pleading, not the term of endearment. You know that I love you also.
Oh, that.  Guess I have some drama queen tendencies. . .
But on a less serious note, your thread question has been rumbling around inside my head so I asked my husband about it. He mentioned Ephesians 4 where Paul is discussing the Christian's walk. After elaborating on specifics like laying aside falsehood, speak truth, be angry, and yet do not sin, verse 30 says "and do not grieve the Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption." Can the Holy Spirit's grieving over our sin be seen as convicting, bringing sorrow for sin?
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RE: The Holy Spirit convicts Believers of their sins? - 11/20/2008 2:28:08 PM
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Is it true that God the Holy Spirit convicts Believers of their sins?
I know where you are going... and I had to think about it. Because, you are right. Our sin, possissionally now, and forever, is forgiven. Our sins were on Christ and Christ alone is responsible for our freedom from sin. But the verse that came to mind as I thought on your question was the following.
John 16:13-14:
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into ALL truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
(emphesis added to he will guide you into ALL truth).
Jesus lived a sinless life, and died. The truth is that murder is wrong. The truth is that stealing is wrong. The truth is that adultery is wrong. The truth is that (insert something sinful) is wrong. If the Holy Spirit is going to lead and guide us in ALL truth, I find it necessary that He would lead and guide me in what is sinful and what is not... what is Christ like and what is not... because even though we are forgiven, what is sinful is a part of ALL truth.
Blessings.
Why would it be necessary for the Spirit to lead and guide you in what is sinful, if He is leading and guiding you in all truth? The sinful part of us is our flesh...is there anything good in our flesh? Will it ever not be sinful? Will it ever get better?
Peace
Paul said that we should no more walk after the lusts of the flesh. Paul said that we should put away our old man. Paul also said that though grace may abound, "God forbid!" that we should continue to sin. Was it necessary for Paul to give us that directive? Appearently. Who inspiried Paul to write? Was it man, or was it the Spirit?
Romans 13:14
But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.
What is the lust of the flesh, and who told Paul to write that?
1 Peter 4:1-5:
Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.
For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:
Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you:
Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.
Who told Peter to write that? The Spirit, who leads us in ALL truth. :)
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RE: The Holy Spirit convicts Believers of their sins? - 11/20/2008 2:58:01 PM
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I disagree. To equate the flesh with the sinful nature (as the NIV does) is, in my opinion, very erroneous. Many of the things our flesh desires are not wrong. Did you read my post that says "flesh" is used 2 different ways?
It is not just the NIV that does that.
Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the spirit. (kjv)
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, that you may not do the things that you desire. (HNV)
Gal 5:16 But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh. (NASB)
Three passages, three translations; all meaning the sinful nature and all using the greek word sarx. The same word is used for the body:
Mat 19:5 and said, 'FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH'? (NASB)
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RE: The Holy Spirit convicts Believers of their sins? - 11/20/2008 3:22:29 PM
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I know sister. I was chuckling at your emphatic pleading, not the term of endearment. You know that I love you also.
Oh, that. Guess I have some drama queen tendencies. . .
But on a less serious note, your thread question has been rumbling around inside my head so I asked my husband about it. He mentioned Ephesians 4 where Paul is discussing the Christian's walk. After elaborating on specifics like laying aside falsehood, speak truth, be angry, and yet do not sin, verse 30 says "and do not grieve the Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption." Can the Holy Spirit's grieving over our sin be seen as convicting, bringing sorrow for sin?
Paul is not laying out the law, he is encouraging us to..."live a life worthy of the calling we have received." Why? Why should we live a life that is worthy of the calling? Because there is one body and one Spirit, and we have been called to one hope when we were called...
Ephesians 4:5,6
"...one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all."
We are all indwelt by the same Spirit, and together we make up the body of Christ here on earth. We are interconnected. We are a family. What is it about siblings that grieves a mother or a father? Is it not all the things that Paul has just talked about? And that he summarizes in verse 31...
"...Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice."
Does it not grieve parents when their children fight and quarrel among themselves? In the same way the Holy Spirit is grieved when His Children behave in a manner that is inconsistent with who they are. But it is His grief. What we have is pain.
When you tell a little boy not to touch a hot stove burner, and still he goes ahead and touches it, are you grieved because he did what you warned him against, or are you grieved because of the pain of a serious injury he now suffers? The child will have learned his lesson, regardless. There is an easy way...and there is a hard way. God does not give us warnings for the sake of the warnings. It is for our sake, and to prevent the inevitable consequences to which the warning, warns.
Our sins are always based on a lie. The Holy Spirit never focuses on sins, He focuses on truth, because only the truth will dispel the lie, and when the lie is dispelled, so are the sins. It is the truth that sets us free, not sorrow, even godly sorrow. Godly sorrow may lead us to repentance, as many other things may. True repentance is an act of humility, and humility is only the beginning of wisdom. It is the truth that will ultimately result in our continued repentance, our continued change of mind, and heart and attitudes.
I see no conviction of sins in Ephesians, I see only the Holy Spirit , through Paul, doing what He does, teaching us how to be who and what we now are as new creatures in Christ...as brothers and sisters in Christ. Teaching us not about our sins, but about our God.
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RE: The Holy Spirit convicts Believers of their sins? - 11/20/2008 3:34:49 PM
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The flesh is not our body. But regardless, these bodies will not suffice for eternity....which is why we will receive new bodies. Puhleeezze.
We still have the same body but it takes on immortality, becomes glorified just like Jesus' body. He still had the same body as shown by Him offering Thomas the chance to feel the scars in his hands and side. (john 20) In resurrection, we are to be like HIM. (1 cor 15, rom 6.5, 1 john 3.2)
If it was not the same body Jesus came back with, the opponents of the gospel could have just hauled out His dead body to discredit the resurrection claims of the disciples.
It is possible Jesus even came back with the same clothes. In Rev. it says He comes wearing a "robe dipped in blood." (rev 19.13) We know he wore what is now called a Tallit or prayer shawl. The woman who touched the "hem of his garment" actually touched the tzitzit fringes of the prayer shawl. Look up the Greek word kraspedon in Vines. It will tell you this was the word the greeks used for the tassels of the prayer shawl. There is an ancient Jewish tradition of burying a murder victim in his prayer shawl with his own blood on it - to present to God as a witness against his assailant.
Call it new, call it glorified, call it transformed....I care little for the semantics. It will be new to me in the same way that spiritually I am now a new creature in Christ, and what I now am is not what I was.
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RE: The Holy Spirit convicts Believers of their sins? - 11/20/2008 3:36:25 PM
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The flesh is not our body.
I disagree. To equate the flesh with the sinful nature (as the NIV does) is, in my opinion, very erroneous. Many of the things our flesh desires are not wrong. It is not wrong for me to want food, but it is wrong if that desire becomes a form of gluttony. It is not wrong for me to want sex, but it is wrong if that desire becomes lust, or is acted out in an illicit manner. Our flesh is not inherently sinful. It leaves room for sin, yes, but it doesn't necessitate it - as our sinful nature did, before it was done away with at conversion.
I will have to agree to disagree my friend.
Peace
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RE: The Holy Spirit convicts Believers of their sins? - 11/20/2008 3:45:20 PM
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Is it true that God the Holy Spirit convicts Believers of their sins?
I know where you are going... and I had to think about it. Because, you are right. Our sin, possissionally now, and forever, is forgiven. Our sins were on Christ and Christ alone is responsible for our freedom from sin. But the verse that came to mind as I thought on your question was the following.
John 16:13-14:
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into ALL truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
(emphesis added to he will guide you into ALL truth).
Jesus lived a sinless life, and died. The truth is that murder is wrong. The truth is that stealing is wrong. The truth is that adultery is wrong. The truth is that (insert something sinful) is wrong. If the Holy Spirit is going to lead and guide us in ALL truth, I find it necessary that He would lead and guide me in what is sinful and what is not... what is Christ like and what is not... because even though we are forgiven, what is sinful is a part of ALL truth.
Blessings.
Why would it be necessary for the Spirit to lead and guide you in what is sinful, if He is leading and guiding you in all truth? The sinful part of us is our flesh...is there anything good in our flesh? Will it ever not be sinful? Will it ever get better?
Peace
Paul said that we should no more walk after the lusts of the flesh. Paul said that we should put away our old man. Paul also said that though grace may abound, "God forbid!" that we should continue to sin. Was it necessary for Paul to give us that directive? Appearently. Who inspiried Paul to write? Was it man, or was it the Spirit?
Romans 13:14
But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.
What is the lust of the flesh, and who told Paul to write that?
1 Peter 4:1-5:
Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.
For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:
Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you:
Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.
Who told Peter to write that? The Spirit, who leads us in ALL truth. :)
It is the Holy Spirit. You will get no disagreement from me on that.
Peace
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RE: The Holy Spirit convicts Believers of their sins? - 11/20/2008 5:52:02 PM
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Did you read my post that says "flesh" is used 2 different ways?
I didn't, thank you for bringing it to my attention. : )
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Three passages, three translations; all meaning the sinful nature and all using the greek word sarx.
I disagree. I don't believe it is referring to the sinful nature. In my understanding, the sinful nature is gone when someone becomes a Christian. If it were not, then we would, by very nature, be sinners. Don't misunderstand, we certainly are still capable of sinning, but it is no longer in our nature. The old man is dead.
URForgiven,
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I will have to agree to disagree my friend.
Works for me. : )
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RE: The Holy Spirit convicts Believers of their sins? - 11/21/2008 2:29:36 PM
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OK, so maybe this has been covered and I either missed it or I've forgotten. But for my sake will you go down this road again.
Where does conviction come from, URF, if not from the Holy Spirit?
For example, in Acts 2:37, God tells us "now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, 'Brethren, what shall we do'?" What do you say pierces the heart?
Or in Psalm 139:23-24, "Search me, O God, and know my heart; try me and know my anxious thoughts; and see if there be any hurtful way in me, and lead me in the everlasting way." ???
Or Romans 2:4, "Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?" ???
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RE: The Holy Spirit convicts Believers of their sins? - 11/21/2008 2:44:50 PM
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ORIGINAL: Liveloved
OK, so maybe this has been covered and I either missed it or I've forgotten. But for my sake will you go down this road again.
Where does conviction come from, URF, if not from the Holy Spirit?
For example, in Acts 2:37, God tells us "now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, 'Brethren, what shall we do'?" What do you say pierces the heart?
Or in Psalm 139:23-24, "Search me, O God, and know my heart; try me and know my anxious thoughts; and see if there be any hurtful way in me, and lead me in the everlasting way." ???
Or Romans 2:4, "Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?" ???
Agreed.
CONVICTION and CONDEMNATION are not the same thing. The Holy Spirit convicts us (encourages is us to do what is right and godly), but does not condemn us (we are going to heaven).
The Holy Spirit leads us in ALL TRUTH. Call it conviction, direction, whatever. He leads and guides us, convicting, p ricking our hearts to tell us when to go to the right, and when to the left.
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RE: The Holy Spirit convicts Believers of their sins? - 11/21/2008 4:44:31 PM
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ORIGINAL: d4nnyb0y02
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ORIGINAL: Liveloved
OK, so maybe this has been covered and I either missed it or I've forgotten. But for my sake will you go down this road again.
Where does conviction come from, URF, if not from the Holy Spirit?
For example, in Acts 2:37, God tells us "now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, 'Brethren, what shall we do'?" What do you say pierces the heart?
Or in Psalm 139:23-24, "Search me, O God, and know my heart; try me and know my anxious thoughts; and see if there be any hurtful way in me, and lead me in the everlasting way." ???
Or Romans 2:4, "Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?" ???
Agreed.
CONVICTION and CONDEMNATION are not the same thing. The Holy Spirit convicts us (encourages is us to do what is right and godly), but does not condemn us (we are going to heaven).
The Holy Spirit leads us in ALL TRUTH. Call it conviction, direction, whatever. He leads and guides us, convicting, p ricking our hearts to tell us when to go to the right, and when to the left.
If you want to call the Holy Spirit leading us into all truth, conviction, I would not disagree with that. But, if you go beyond that, and say that the way the Holy Spirit leads us into all truth is by convicting us of our sins, that I see no Scriptural support for.
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