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RE: Pass your drug test or forfeit your welfare check??? - 2/16/2010 5:05:07 PM
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gralan
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I received an email form my mother about this and I'v also seen it on a few FB pages. Is this something that's being encouraged or just an idea being passed around. Do welfare recipients have to take drug tests every so often or not? Should they be require to?
I think that we should also have medication drugs listed with the department of vehicles and our insurance companies, so that if we drive under their influence and get into an accident we can be held accountable as Driving Under The Influence.
I'm not kidding.
I also think if you cannot pass a 10 question quiz when renewing your drivers license (every time), with a simple majority (6 out of 10) then you have to recertify from the driving test through the written.
Let's hold all people accountable for doing what is right to do.
But if we aren't going to do that, because it seems to intrusive on the part of our Big Government upon our rights... well, then I say shame on us.
To not hold others accountable as well as myself is not an option in Christianity. It really isn't. Let judgement begin with the Body of Christ.
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RE: Pass your drug test or forfeit your welfare check??? - 2/16/2010 5:11:42 PM
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Drugs are not illegal because of the lifestyle....the lifestyle is a result of the attention put on the government by attempting to regulate and prohibit. remember prohibition?
seriously...  a history lesson about prohibition...of which I am well aware of.
This entire obesity argument makes no sense in this context and legalizing that which is already illegal is another thread entirely.
Drugs are illegal. I gotta peepee for a paycheck, then so do those receiving a portion of my paycheck to live on.
Google VonWeeden. Interesting stuff...
Lol, Google VonWeeden all you want...im still a christian, and THANK GOD it is not you who judges!!! Can you not be in the here and now?
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RE: Pass your drug test or forfeit your welfare check??? - 2/16/2010 5:15:46 PM
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Drugs are not illegal because of the lifestyle....the lifestyle is a result of the attention put on the government by attempting to regulate and prohibit. remember prohibition?
seriously... a history lesson about prohibition...of which I am well aware of.
This entire obesity argument makes no sense in this context and legalizing that which is already illegal is another thread entirely.
Drugs are illegal. I gotta peepee for a paycheck, then so do those receiving a portion of my paycheck to live on.
Google VonWeeden. Interesting stuff...
From what I found, the googled VonWeeden is a republican leaning, pothead christian who invested in the dinars...
Who are you?
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RE: Pass your drug test or forfeit your welfare check??? - 2/16/2010 5:54:02 PM
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I think it's simple:
If I can fail a drug test and lose my job, then the same should be true for welfare.
Drugs are ILLEGAL...overeating is not.
Shouldn't obesity be made illegal? Drugs are illegal because they are harmful to the self and society. Isn't obesity?
So it is a moot statement to state that there should be no correlation between illegal drugs and obesity because of legality.
Arguing about obesity is off topic to this discussion. The topic is passing a drug test, not an obesity test. Please stay on topic.
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RE: Pass your drug test or forfeit your welfare check??? - 2/16/2010 6:16:19 PM
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Or is a 'welfare system" actually a christian doctrine? Where those that have are to support those that don't...?
The welfare system would probably fall apart if it was based on Scripture;
(2Th 3:10) For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
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(1Ti 5:8) But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
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RE: Pass your drug test or forfeit your welfare check??? - 2/16/2010 6:25:58 PM
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ORIGINAL: VonWeeden
Or is a 'welfare system" actually a christian doctrine? Where those that have are to support those that don't...?
The welfare system would probably fall apart if it was based on Scripture;
(2Th 3:10) For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
or
(1Ti 5:8) But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
Thanks
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Welfare is a way of supporting the poor.
God's concern for the poor
Deut. 26:5-9. The Egyptians treated us harshly and afflicted us, and imposed hard labor on us. Then we cried to the LORD, the God of our fathers, and the LORD heard our voice and saw our affliction and our toil and our oppression; and the LORD brought us out of Egypt with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm and with great terror and with signs and wonders; and He has brought us to... this land flowing with milk and honey.
Luke 4:16-21. And He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up; and as was His custom, He entered the synagogue on the Sabbath, and stood up to read... "The Spirit of the LORD is upon Me, because He appointed Me to preach the gospel to the poor. He has sent Me to proclaim release to the captives, and recovery of sight to the blind, to set free those who are downtrodden, to proclaim the favorable year of the LORD... Today this Scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing."
Ps. 140:12. I know that the LORD will maintain the cause of the afflicted, and justice for the poor.
Is. 25:4. For You have been a defense for the helpless, a defense for the needy in his distress.
Ps. 10:14. The unfortunate commits himself to You; You have been the helper of the orphan... O LORD, You have heard the desire of the humble; You will strengthen their heart, You will incline Your ear to vindicate the orphan and the oppressed.
Is 41:17. The afflicted and needy are seeking water, but there is none, and their tongue is parched with thirst. I, the LORD, will answer them Myself, as the God of Israel I will not forsake them.
Luke 6:20-21. Blessed are you who are poor, for yours in the kingdom of God. Blessed are you who hunger now, for you shall be satisfied. Blessed are you who weep now, for you shall laugh.
James 2:5. Did not God choose the poor of this world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom which He promised to those who love Him?
God's commands concerning the poor
Deut. 15:7. If there is a poor man among you, one of your brothers, in any of the towns of the land which the LORD your God is giving you, you shall not harden your heart, nor close your hand to your poor brother; but you shall freely open your hand to him, and generously lend him sufficient for his need in whatever he lacks.
Deut. 26:12. When you have finished paying the complete tithe of your increase in the third year, the year of tithing, then you shall give it to the Levite, to the stranger, to the orphan and the widow, that they may eat in your towns, and be satisfied.
Lev. 19:19ff. Now when you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not reap to the very corners of your field, neither shall you gather the gleanings of your harvest. Nor shall you glean your vineyard, nor shall you gather the fallen fruit of your vineyard; you shall leave them for the needy and for the stranger. I am the LORD your God.
Prov. 31:8ff. [Commandment to kings.] Open your mouth for the dumb, for the rights of all the unfortunate. Open your mouth, judge righteously, and defend the rights of the afflicted and needy.
Is. 58:66ff. Is this not the fast which I choose, to loosen the bonds of wickedness, to undo the bands of the yoke, and to let the oppressed go free, and break every yoke? Is it not to divide your bread with the hungry, and bring the homeless poor into the house; when you see the naked, to cover him, and not to hide yourself from your own flesh?
Jer. 22:3. Do justice and righteousness, and deliver the one who has been robbed from the power of his oppressor. Also do not mistreat or do violence to the stranger, the orphan, or the widow; and do not shed innocent blood in this place.
Luke 12:33. "Sell your possessions and give to charity; make yourselves purses which do not wear out, an unfailing treasure in heaven, where no thief comes near, nor moth destroys."
Luke 3:11. And [John the Baptist] would answer and say to them, "Let the man with two tunics share with him who has none, and let him who has food do likewise."
Mt. 5:42. Give to him who asks of you, and do not turn away from him who wants to borrow from you.
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RE: Pass your drug test or forfeit your welfare check??? - 2/16/2010 6:53:07 PM
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gralan
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I would agree only if you are to include all of the feeding programs that were developed because of the Law, including the daily basket which started the whole "Deacon" thing. haha
And if the Church were doing what it was supposed to instead of having the pagan government do it for them... sure you pay taxes, and God requires you to feed those who are hungry, visit those who are sick and in prison, clothe the naked, etc.
When you play the Bible card, you should pay homage to the relevant teachings instead of just playing the politically correct ones.
IMO.
And my parents opinion.
And my church's opinion.
And our church organizations' opinion.
And the opinion of many true groups of disciples of Jesus Christ.
Thank you very much.
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ORIGINAL: rcjames
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ORIGINAL: VonWeeden
Or is a 'welfare system" actually a christian doctrine? Where those that have are to support those that don't...?
The welfare system would probably fall apart if it was based on Scripture;
(2Th 3:10) For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
or
(1Ti 5:8) But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
Thanks
RC
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RE: Pass your drug test or forfeit your welfare check??? - 2/16/2010 7:45:44 PM
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Kath
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Google VonWeeden. Interesting stuff...
Maybe, but VonWeeden is not the topic of the thread. Lets stick to the topic, please. Thanks!
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RE: Pass your drug test or forfeit your welfare check??? - 2/16/2010 10:11:05 PM
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I think i read somewhere that your only eligible for money from welfare if you have kids, other than that, its mostly food stamps and things like that (non-cash help.) So part of me wants to say "yes, drug test" but a bigger part of me wants to say "no, dont require a drug test" and this is why:
Drugs like marijuana can show up on a drug test over a month after you have taken them. If there is a parent who is at a function at a friends house, and is offered marijuana, and they take it, then I don't think that they should be penalized for that, because they are not hurting anybody by occasionally doing this, and they are not even spending welfare money on it. Yet they could still get caught and have money for their child taken away, just because some people have some personal hangup about a drug. Anyone who wants to take away help to a family in need because they tested positive for some pot is just cruel in my opinion. If, however, the parent was addicted to crack and spent all the money buying it, and were very irresponsible, then it should be taken. But you have to work out a system that isn't going to hurt innocent people, it can't be a simple drug test. And if someone did test positive for crack or heroine, it would also have to be proved that they were using welfare money on the drugs (they could be doing some other kind of work in exchange for the drugs.)
So... ultimately my opinion now is no, they shouldn't necessarily be subject to a drug test, although there should be some measure to stop people from abusing it. But a simple drug test isn't it.
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RE: Pass your drug test or forfeit your welfare check??? - 2/17/2010 7:04:48 AM
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Our welfare system encourages people NOT to do anything to help themselves, but instead it breeds a sense of entitlement.
Not true. In order to keep receiving benefits you have to work a certain amount of hours or go to job training and then get a job
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RE: Pass your drug test or forfeit your welfare check??? - 2/17/2010 10:03:16 AM
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Unless we somehow believe that "civil disobedience" extends to pot, then in most states pot is an illegal drug, and in my opinion there should be no problem testing someone for illegal drugs when they are part of a free money receiving program. As has been stated, I have had to take a drug test for just about every job I have applied for.
Regarding all these other NOT illegal drugs. Obviously prescription drugs can be abused. But there is a reason that they are called prescription drugs. They are prescribed for diagnosed, sometimes life-altering conditions. And if they are taken correctly they pose almost no risk. So to list legal drugs one has been prescribed is - in fact - a violation of privacy. Not even in the same realm as illegal substances. If a policeman pulled me over this afternoon, I would test positive for lithium, effexor, and levothyroxine. And I would NOT be driving under the influence. I am not starting a new topic, I am responding to another posting on this thread. I am also not starting a mental health thread. I am using a real life example.
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RE: Pass your drug test or forfeit your welfare check??? - 2/17/2010 10:14:11 AM
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Our welfare system encourages people NOT to do anything to help themselves, but instead it breeds a sense of entitlement.
Not true. In order to keep receiving benefits you have to work a certain amount of hours or go to job training and then get a job
rules on welfare vary from place to place. some places mandate recipients work or attend job training programs other places don't require it.
i think drug tests for welfare recipients wouldn't be a bad idea provided welfare can do it correctly which i doubt. the system is already a mess and no need to add to their mess. my only question is what about the kids? and not the kids of parents who are strung out on drugs because obviously you remove the kids, but what about the kids of parents of who use occasionally...whose results show that there is a low level of drugs in their system?
what i would like to see is something done about ssi/ssd. i've seen more addicts receiving ssi/ssd and drugs are the only thing they do with their money...even when they have a payee. and it doesn't help when the governement gives out the initial payments which includes all the back money from when they first applied. we've had a client go through $10,000 in under a month with absolutely nothing to show for it accept dirty urine.
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RE: Pass your drug test or forfeit your welfare check??? - 2/17/2010 11:13:43 AM
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As far as the kids go, I am sure it varies from state to state, but here kids are taken care of regardless of parents' status. For example, they cannot be turned away from the school of their choice regardless of homelessness, immigration status, etc. If the parents live in school A zone but are considered homeless because they live with family/friends, they can require the system to transport their kids to school zone B if they so desire. I had to provide immunization forms and proof of residency/immunization for my kids to register, but if I were here illegally, my kids could have just walked in. If I were denied assistance, other programs would take over to provide for my kids.
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RE: Pass your drug test or forfeit your welfare check??? - 2/17/2010 11:24:11 AM
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FunBetty
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I think i read somewhere that your only eligible for money from welfare if you have kids, other than that, its mostly food stamps and things like that (non-cash help.) So part of me wants to say "yes, drug test" but a bigger part of me wants to say "no, dont require a drug test" and this is why:
Drugs like marijuana can show up on a drug test over a month after you have taken them. If there is a parent who is at a function at a friends house, and is offered marijuana, and they take it, then I don't think that they should be penalized for that, because they are not hurting anybody by occasionally doing this, and they are not even spending welfare money on it. Yet they could still get caught and have money for their child taken away, just because some people have some personal hangup about a drug. Anyone who wants to take away help to a family in need because they tested positive for some pot is just cruel in my opinion. If, however, the parent was addicted to crack and spent all the money buying it, and were very irresponsible, then it should be taken. But you have to work out a system that isn't going to hurt innocent people, it can't be a simple drug test. And if someone did test positive for crack or heroine, it would also have to be proved that they were using welfare money on the drugs (they could be doing some other kind of work in exchange for the drugs.)
So... ultimately my opinion now is no, they shouldn't necessarily be subject to a drug test, although there should be some measure to stop people from abusing it. But a simple drug test isn't it.
So where does one draw the line in illegal drug activity? "I smoked pot (illegally), but I didn't pay for it with welfare money, so please don't penalize me" is still breaking the law.
If there were such a policy in place what would the response be? "I understand that even though you broke the law, you did not use the funds to support your illegal activity, so you can still have your welfare $".
It doesn't make sense to me.
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RE: Pass your drug test or forfeit your welfare check??? - 2/17/2010 1:49:21 PM
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IMO.
And my parents opinion.
And my church's opinion.
And our church organizations' opinion.
And the opinion of many true groups of disciples of Jesus Christ.
Thank you very much.
Wow, seems like you know a lot of folks who might be in error.
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